原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
/ @$ b3 E9 Z# s3 U/ e5 k/ b" h怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？
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) c6 s2 H2 ^( H3 a+ [7 k豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表" v! j' e( G6 m
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
  c' z+ N# c8 t" Z) B% YPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。# u" G* V7 r: D0 @

5 `+ l+ h+ }# M7 Z$ G/ i值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表9 Z5 }) r+ a! n1 ?( N7 b# I
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。5 s. ]' O0 f" I5 u6 v5 C
他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。% I& n$ p$ T; P) {8 D. c
还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43   f( G, t  e. r0 @& @

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TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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2 G6 A5 \! o" w& i6 OAllied Ships 0 f: h  E& a. R  m& l
MSW Cromer ) z" C" q  T$ p; m; q: }# c: K
MSW Goulburn
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' x3 `1 a# d; ~5 b) l8 j# k0 O) AASW attack at 37,69
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Japanese Ships
  R& G( t1 Y# c1 wPC Ch 22 ) [+ d1 i3 N: W% g
PC Ch 20 ' U. R& r  `- L$ j: C1 A' E
PG Taiko Maru . J7 r9 T+ f( D* \0 i, d$ j1 F& i
PG Shosei Maru 1 {+ I  `- Y' j4 c6 w3 ?
PG Seiko Maru
9 G. T- C1 z8 d( vPG Keiko Maru & J. e% D5 P8 s; G; e' Z
PG Aso Maru * T% o3 o: c! B; f
PG Tamo Maru #7 2 _; {; g" y1 m* Q9 T& g
  
( G* Z$ ?$ F0 Z4 U1 y8 hAllied Ships 8 N1 \) p8 e, ^
SS O23 2 r  k- r6 \8 e
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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2 h' _6 |/ n: K% K9 s  * h/ s* O' C; @1 n. j* e* r3 C
Allied aircraft ! M7 x- b2 r, U& t" G' e7 F
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 5 d  X6 v9 T0 U! ~/ E
F-5A Lightning x 2
. d# ~. o/ o/ Y' _( AB-25J Mitchell x 135
* O: A5 X4 y3 `8 p  # t! `; z. B6 q8 b
  2 G, T9 D% M  w6 m% B% S" I
Allied aircraft losses $ c& U1 |; k  r/ F! l$ ]
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged
  S4 s5 g; v7 h4 I  
! }. @$ d# u6 G5 O7 I7 j7 IJapanese ground losses: + u" ^9 }% p  a6 x9 p* V
163 casualties reported
+ _/ `4 Y$ T9 }  `8 z( I5 g! WGuns lost 1 & j! O2 f5 o; l' v2 Y
  , y7 A( A* |' @, Y9 O1 M. N: G* I% ^
Airbase hits 6
/ x7 x1 L* D2 mAirbase supply hits 3
" I# S: B* |( DRunway hits 126
- K. F/ z8 F9 k6 J7 R. l  ) D2 i' v+ h5 x: w* [1 P+ W. k
Aircraft Attacking:
- F4 ~6 {# x2 b4 v8 g/ n* E6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 I. v+ S' p( A4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 I9 D6 f/ t% H+ }; I  ^) [& k, Z' |
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
- O# r2 t" F3 a3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet * @$ }% j' R' ~* Q8 N, Q  {
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 7 W( l4 m9 {5 P1 {- K& J
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
" |+ d$ f/ g0 H. t: l7 C13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
( W! u' w: ^/ {( K3 h4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
0 b  @2 P; L8 i) V1 ^* q3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
* _7 t& O) E* z0 T3 s7 I' H10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet - _' s9 d/ y$ `' L( U! k- w' C
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
8 f; ^' b  ^" b" j4 S" |  G3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet : o" y* S7 B6 Y. ]6 h! {
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 ^. y5 {" G9 [# P; c$ d
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ' y- Q+ q& r/ O  G( ?
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( y+ u# d$ s+ X( x
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet % w7 h( Z- j! f, m; ?' q; g' R2 u
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 9 ]& T  u5 e6 d2 Q2 Y
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
  C! z& Q" i/ ?3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet / b% ^5 a, E' S/ f3 h( R
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet : w7 `  t& W1 H! C: `8 W5 L! _0 q
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ! F" p; ^- y) v5 u! A2 z# ^
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ! j, F5 {% h. S
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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Japanese aircraft
3 u- l& e- U+ ?D3A Val x 54 * F8 B" h2 O; i: u( N( }
A6M5c Zeke x 47
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No Japanese losses : V1 _+ R& O' x# m2 T
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Runway hits 30 1 D5 _, G1 [) ?: H" [# ^+ s* v
  
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" R, }* H! V- {5 O) h0 U- ^27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet . m5 n/ }% A$ A% F+ K
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet $ a& N- _% ?7 l: N) C
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet , ?2 n  Y' T5 l8 r! J
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5 v+ n6 Q. \0 S/ tDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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4 ]0 x* o$ S, b* h$ F, }A6M5 Zeke x 84   Z+ }( d: o% x  S) s  `' e
D3A Val x 98
; ]% B  y. s; `1 D# |2 ~D4Y Judy x 95
: U' O& G: j) W/ q% q9 EB5N Kate x 129
$ }) }  M" K: S% QB6N Jill x 47 # F3 y- b$ v4 \2 z8 x
  $ b) g( Y: `. `' X& q
Allied aircraft , j2 @, W* o: v0 E5 x  F
F6F Hellcat x 147
2 y8 e  X6 i# s, ~. p% j: yCorsair IV x 24 5 x0 @. H, a' C- p% g
  
( G* b: |. q/ h2 ^1 C  O# q3 pJapanese aircraft losses   ]9 J5 E* V: Y- D& p
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed 0 x# ]1 P9 ^6 U9 I; t0 W4 W
D3A Val: 73 destroyed
! e% T7 d  h8 S( C/ E7 P! eD4Y Judy: 72 destroyed 3 q4 r/ ]. d, M, B! M/ K0 `
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed ! Y, s' {: A0 k
B6N Jill: 40 destroyed ; ^5 ?9 ?/ R$ m5 H- I# f
  
. K; e/ Y# u6 b5 }* g. u7 }% sAllied aircraft losses
( d3 Z$ w8 Y! D/ r+ I# JF6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
6 W, C+ J1 w! i' jCorsair IV: 1 damaged - G& `( x4 n: O1 @1 Y( K. ?) Y1 L
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Allied Ships / v; c$ j3 h. x/ n5 A" ?3 |8 }* c
CVL Cabot
2 ], v' d0 v9 p8 b( F" SCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
5 ]4 p, F5 S; I0 wCV Formidable
. L  L/ v5 {, N- H  X- X  zCVL Langley
" @/ s4 n* y* S- f: ?CLAA San Diego
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Aircraft Attacking:
. r+ |6 B7 N- J1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
' C' M6 f2 q* F8 h; x, \* ^& G1 O3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
% v' S2 @% \8 e& m1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 9 Z! f+ @, M4 ~2 d% Z% q/ d7 H
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet / x5 v3 p  X, `# r' K
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
' N. |, k, Q4 i" _( p1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
/ A  t2 f" k; }3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 8 g2 @6 P- N" o& k% I) D1 x
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
* y* i/ X, |" e. n0 M; [  z1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 {2 C+ Y. h, x5 P; Q
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet * j# K/ k3 l6 F+ L/ v' ]
2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
! t0 u! \4 X9 T/ u: _3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 5 ]+ f! s+ z! A0 i
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
/ J1 ~2 g7 G3 K: a* }. j- _; Q4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
# N, c5 M$ C# X& U% V. \4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
  t+ A; P; X9 I& C6 B( u6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
. ~! W/ P" m; _9 q0 C4 R. u9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
; ?8 V7 m7 J! ?! W: J# [9 `3 F7 x3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 v! w! `1 `3 ~6 w' A) E
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 2 j, W* x$ z$ R! \6 ]! S
6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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$ I# l& R( s8 q8 |" eDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft
) k' x7 j0 t' x" l! gA6M5 Zeke x 6 1 w7 ^8 H. t3 y  \) V5 d
D4Y Judy x 27 2 b$ |2 A& O' l8 Q! u/ Z8 e" W0 [
A6M3a Zero x 9 6 x+ ~. M' |( ^: `9 Z! t$ O
B5N Kate x 18
# I4 E$ b2 d* C  c  6 _3 t$ i  u/ P9 Q. z0 S
Allied aircraft
; t0 k, @1 j& I. z3 ^. y* k, b+ Z4 ?F6F Hellcat x 120 , G( t* z+ p; F# W4 g) C
Corsair IV x 24
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, m) o% g" ]% T% P! o8 uJapanese aircraft losses 3 H: r' v1 \: {" I4 n# F
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
/ N2 ~9 W% k  M- _3 OD4Y Judy: 20 destroyed 5 d* J5 Y2 v+ S, n! k6 z. S- e* s
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
* Z& J; G, Y- m" W* _+ U" XB5N Kate: 17 destroyed % D, I! O8 o6 Q( p( ]6 {
  
' ^$ s4 J3 M! V& U' X: V, pAllied aircraft losses . n/ z5 Q/ n" n6 u  l1 q/ `
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged - g* b0 o0 N$ s3 P5 L' _: g' N
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Allied Ships
8 j, C7 `. T* L; QCV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 ( X& z$ {; x. @, A) @
  
) I# `  ?9 ?* S3 IAircraft Attacking: # B7 p4 Q4 F" v% Y7 U
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet & r4 W4 m0 T1 ^+ {& S( }& X7 X
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) j) y, r- i, e1 gDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 5 ^# G' I* {4 J- c/ |1 n
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Japanese aircraft % E. _: F& v# e
A6M5 Zeke x 9
$ J. x# A' E; P3 k  \$ pD3A Val x 9 ! n  p/ v; Q% g! V6 m
D4Y Judy x 27
% E+ }+ _# L$ z  F; p0 k% J" p4 `B5N Kate x 18 ' T& `6 h. }8 M
  
, r  w0 X; l  X. ?1 i. }4 HAllied aircraft $ n$ D, T# q* O2 c1 e
F6F Hellcat x 115
* E4 g( m0 D" P8 ACorsair IV x 24 / V5 i: q/ `2 o, u8 J$ |6 ]" P
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Japanese aircraft losses + w2 Q; G  W8 F, J- @7 ?+ a
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed * g3 r: M0 e" c! u& M1 ]- `
D3A Val: 9 destroyed
8 l8 U' p6 J, [1 `D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed
6 n- p! i7 \5 b1 ?% gB5N Kate: 10 destroyed # k* D$ I7 {7 {5 H: n7 R
  
$ X0 |, W; A2 ?2 ~" iAllied aircraft losses   N5 L3 W! U) b8 i& `2 V9 U
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed
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Allied Ships
: p$ i: K+ C% S& v5 E; {CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
# k" l: @: g# dDD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire ! o& ]- L" f$ F$ G+ M9 V0 m
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Aircraft Attacking:
* ?; C8 |8 B9 d" \* s( a1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet - ?- Z$ f7 z2 D2 T& X9 h: E
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
) y5 b* P( ^$ ?: {5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet , I% A* P, ^9 p2 G# w8 h
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 1 h6 C& p  d4 ~2 N" X
  
6 X9 ]: _! S6 d3 ZJapanese aircraft
: g! F# {$ g2 k( D, dG4M1 Betty x 6 6 Q$ ]8 v- l1 ?/ Z" [
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Allied aircraft : N* @) Y; \" z' _
F6F Hellcat x 98
, f7 E3 [$ B2 _8 o% {4 |Corsair IV x 23
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& {0 A6 b/ V; i7 A  KJapanese aircraft losses . R2 g1 t+ Z" t7 L  C9 h5 ^
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed " Y5 G9 q/ f: W
  
1 h3 a; c/ P, I6 }( T8 M' G, QAllied aircraft losses
3 y. I0 n0 q4 G$ |! B8 Q  f8 }  mF6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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% X9 t! ~; W; ^2 G1 IDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 7 u& D4 j% R2 r8 u
  
: Q8 V8 {1 U, f$ u' T, cJapanese aircraft / b1 a. r) L/ r2 I9 A2 q
G4M1 Betty x 3
" s. o3 r5 w4 G+ t0 f4 ^. v4 i/ x9 C  
' L! ^! P1 `) Z: h8 DAllied aircraft * A. A: ^( P1 }+ c
F6F Hellcat x 98 5 |& S9 h, K( k3 J( ~) k
Corsair IV x 23
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, W' k9 ?3 o. _9 w8 X0 }Japanese aircraft losses 7 Z, W: y0 f2 P5 b# q. e2 K* I& [
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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4 o8 ]. U5 F: MDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 + R0 `- C3 [3 F8 u# V% G& y1 t2 W
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Japanese aircraft
. l8 Z9 l3 k7 i: U* ^4 r# {. XA6M5 Zeke x 50
! S& b9 u' g# G0 A. v( w: ^6 BD3A Val x 15 # Z1 G) ~2 Q! t9 _* Q$ Q
D4Y Judy x 15
* e8 z0 a, |/ x" _. O2 jA6M3a Zero x 6 4 C3 r" i+ o$ r* q! ~0 F9 [% l
B5N Kate x 17
2 B" ^- C( N2 a1 h, z( AB6N Jill x 2
2 R# b' H+ H6 g6 k0 L% X  
1 W' C  z2 Q& W* s: l. o" ]& V+ B2 WAllied aircraft + D* s& a. Y; R0 W. N, F
F6F Hellcat x 98
# O$ y2 ~( Z) j* r3 _$ sCorsair IV x 23
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Japanese aircraft losses 5 i- a' i# ]; m" b
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed 8 m: f" r, `( V! |8 ~/ |0 X+ q0 b& n
D3A Val: 12 destroyed   \/ {* S2 B% E4 I6 ~/ Q" Z' @
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed 3 c& G$ |5 c7 |5 U) m
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed / @: C& n9 w% c# m4 o0 n( J+ W  y
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed 2 a# t/ \8 K* K& h% Q
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed # G2 G4 }- x4 t0 u7 {
  
& ?' ?/ z: R- B3 P1 k8 _1 b$ tAllied aircraft losses
; W+ P8 w9 `& I4 a6 \9 w! {2 X% WF6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
* V$ U! `% w1 k; rCorsair IV: 1 destroyed
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Allied Ships 5 g6 E* S5 L+ V: ?0 o6 @& p
CV Formidable % \: s7 w" S7 h- Z2 N6 {
CV Illustrious 2 Q, {  z9 X! U! [4 @/ k3 Q) s% x. v
CVL Cabot
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) S) U1 F% j8 c4 o# {* k1 dAircraft Attacking: $ I. Z. U" j) ^
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 R9 F+ W& c8 v1 ~; o# @- T  O
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 J! ?% g3 i* V& M+ _1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表, U* E& M1 [/ B8 g& T$ M' N, v
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目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重) }: Z4 h; i3 w5 l

8 K+ ]1 y; f+ F% Q這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利
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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表( x& }% D- @* n, c: U. S% \
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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5 N' Z) k2 Y- A6 L) I这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表' T3 P; ?' G. a- L" ?" Y! R
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...