原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
, t  h' ~& w6 A0 }怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？
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/ y  s$ P  k$ v, k. A豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表
* i$ B6 z9 Q4 m+ R; H楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
, v% x. f& a, g* j) pPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。
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值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表5 B" g# m' T7 d* F. v
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
8 L* W4 ~4 a- ~. o# {他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
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战报太长了，找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43
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  c7 S/ g2 l: XTF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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MSW Goulburn
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( F0 R' r( }2 M; ?7 i2 cASW attack at 37,69
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PC Ch 20 / A, a' O, h; c. W$ v, L% r
PG Taiko Maru , m. ^% W  ?8 g) V- ^, h
PG Shosei Maru . p/ i0 M4 }0 d( F5 x
PG Seiko Maru
/ }% u- m2 p3 b0 Y: S( e4 sPG Keiko Maru
# a+ k0 C* r) D$ ]PG Aso Maru
8 y# j# X- B7 [) ~7 J' ?PG Tamo Maru #7 5 c+ m1 x, b8 ^9 w! x- s# e
  
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SS O23
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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% f$ M% {5 |  J0 t' z2 IBeaufighter Mk 21 x 3
1 B/ n+ l2 x: ]% b% g# ~( BF-5A Lightning x 2 6 R7 g1 z/ M8 D+ A2 U5 O
B-25J Mitchell x 135
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" y% w! u" v. ?+ p, @* |Allied aircraft losses / |: u2 J2 i$ K
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged
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Japanese ground losses: ) u( D; m" Y/ a! h9 V
163 casualties reported ( R4 D) ^& Z/ K. ^& W9 A7 p
Guns lost 1
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  u2 D& z. X5 }! FAirbase hits 6
! F; n, T0 Z8 f- s2 c6 }# Y. ~4 ^& g0 RAirbase supply hits 3
# O8 s1 r  {* M% ^3 M7 w" @Runway hits 126
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  {0 F  S0 l/ F; z6 O- N" UAircraft Attacking:
  _% n7 M' I  C" O: a6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
1 R. g: Z6 }% b3 g" B3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet # A$ [) ?& Q* ~( y; T4 l
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 0 B5 R" e5 c. ^6 w) [4 Q
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
2 K+ `* |1 o, H  C3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
; [# J! l$ r& U: d10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet & n# b% v1 W3 k  `
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 h% q+ m9 V4 h0 @( [+ a3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ; J4 L1 H* B/ E( r6 e& o7 H
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet # U1 K% n& N1 C: z: @8 N  k
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet * L" B. o. h# t. f$ b/ @$ n4 z% J
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ; r$ t' e$ T" J8 j$ b
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
1 O& v6 U. Y& a3 B" q2 s/ k7 o3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
# [( X% T. I/ |- e4 b' t" R: P6 {2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ! c& [9 a4 @9 Y9 }$ D! o
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0 a  B8 @# ^) \% Z6 mD3A Val x 54 1 t# @/ ?& J8 C0 u$ N
A6M5c Zeke x 47 ( D. m0 n/ j, b; P/ H
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No Japanese losses   D  w. y6 |9 v9 ]2 g
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Runway hits 30 0 n) m. }; j) R3 [6 V
  
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5 l3 H% z* s* v9 v& j1 j27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 7 ~$ u" L: ^9 i/ M4 J
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
# M5 T# T5 `$ D# ?% k: C* Z7 Y47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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A6M5 Zeke x 84
! m9 P% W5 \$ J+ h5 B8 u* BD3A Val x 98 : g! H# S4 f3 a4 z  \: D& X1 h
D4Y Judy x 95
" z5 }% t$ K( T( WB5N Kate x 129
" T  y3 d& v. ]& U7 @B6N Jill x 47 , p, ^9 B- p. O* a
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Allied aircraft
4 b: N! k2 B! TF6F Hellcat x 147
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6 p! u) G6 r" vJapanese aircraft losses ' i1 I7 R3 r6 ^! A  ]+ I" `
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed 9 i, A8 ~+ U0 m6 u5 ^' z0 K! b8 k
D3A Val: 73 destroyed
: J* j6 h" ^, ~5 SD4Y Judy: 72 destroyed * G3 B1 O8 \5 Z
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed
( x' |& y% X1 f6 W& R* ]$ l9 {" T) nB6N Jill: 40 destroyed
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2 x" X: w; f! U# bAllied aircraft losses
1 F5 A% a/ ^& S  VF6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
2 E% V+ e* W* T# P3 S' O  ^Corsair IV: 1 damaged
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3 K7 E" F2 N  dCVL Cabot 5 o' D% s+ k: W( D8 H! O1 q. o
CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1 9 C4 H2 v! Q6 t5 [7 r+ s# W
CV Formidable
0 @% }! h  L5 @# PCVL Langley
7 V; v# R; ]+ i2 [% @CLAA San Diego
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Aircraft Attacking:
9 O, x+ e+ \8 B9 H& O; |1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ' ?' t; d8 C9 i; B! d
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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* u/ O5 T5 k. p3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet , }% j& o8 |8 @, Y* R' r: P
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
& J8 i7 K: m! l  x1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  d: G. W3 f, R2 G) \3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ( m1 i  _+ Q6 A# I! a& h
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet / ]9 X* f; B/ F- w: k3 v! o; P, \; D
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ) ]8 y6 e) v' u1 x9 n$ g4 G
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet # \, \" u" p$ }+ J
2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 O% Z( e0 D- h
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet * \6 ]/ L- z* j4 C4 m; o" b
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ! w& `9 M+ p* j! K2 e8 F1 i
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 5 A8 y5 A* @# m
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet + E8 v. e( L( }( \6 L* }. b2 ^
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
& E0 R- t7 t5 v4 `8 y9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet " w$ w- C  Y3 I; ?
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 }, }% A& y3 G& w# e4 h8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
% N" t. A# P% Y# U# v. l0 h9 |9 |6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 9 D; z- U7 s3 l/ A% ^; G- |
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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* T& B. x& L+ R3 {/ nD4Y Judy x 27 5 T- i' b  T. L& @0 b/ O% n
A6M3a Zero x 9 / n7 a. }7 ]0 h* ]
B5N Kate x 18
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Allied aircraft ; T# `) D: a4 b) {  J
F6F Hellcat x 120 $ g' M0 c6 b/ \2 T, u
Corsair IV x 24 4 T2 C  g7 i1 ^+ J2 H" z& [% i
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Japanese aircraft losses
  y  b+ ?8 e8 |5 p/ C# {  T) E) m4 JA6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed & x% u: ?7 p" @( Z
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed , T. A8 X1 L% I+ M2 M3 m- J# b
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed / [; q# @9 p- a" ~2 Q" h2 b
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses ) g( {2 m/ r2 E8 |- h4 n; M
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Allied Ships
' Z) C& n. W; \; |3 I2 A7 J: ICV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 7 O* \# `/ O" \! Z' E8 x8 M# r7 e
  
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9 m9 \* n0 g! H& b( u1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
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Japanese aircraft 9 }0 p/ b4 J3 U9 x7 L  p% l$ V) ?
A6M5 Zeke x 9
" W) _1 W& x1 s9 D+ E5 DD3A Val x 9 & S) Q/ Q4 D7 n, B: a3 x, X
D4Y Judy x 27 " G# }4 G" c, l# }, H
B5N Kate x 18
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4 u% O! l8 v5 d; S. ]. {Allied aircraft
# ]8 @6 A6 a2 o% `F6F Hellcat x 115
9 B: f5 c7 m7 |, u: S: r/ y" p, l) {Corsair IV x 24 0 }3 |$ y- p+ Y6 |1 _  J* Q) z
  
6 y% K; }0 |8 L# t1 {' r) CJapanese aircraft losses
/ h- ]% w' o" Z1 F. VA6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
) l4 E7 b: W5 f! \' g) ~6 lD3A Val: 9 destroyed
& Q' \3 S8 x& j8 p, b' }$ @% ]D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed * V1 M& R/ h+ ~: m
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed 8 I3 ~! U+ O& ]4 s. i/ O; S
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Allied aircraft losses " n  f: i6 r' j
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed
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Allied Ships 6 J/ X; R3 H8 d  ]: T3 n  ?
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire . Y4 X6 ~7 n6 k/ `
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire ! l2 j0 k: l7 b/ z. k' I
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Aircraft Attacking: ! o3 M, |# n+ ~+ Y, a
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
# N. }* s) o' y8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
( e% g5 m, @$ s$ o, c! |6 i+ h5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Japanese aircraft
% u. _% m. @* d5 D) pG4M1 Betty x 6 . V6 T$ [0 W1 I% B9 s/ u' R
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Allied aircraft
$ S5 S& b  u9 V( ]0 JF6F Hellcat x 98
8 M6 P/ A4 x6 V# S. pCorsair IV x 23 % ^2 N- b2 O0 @5 _# I
  
  }" }  Q6 I9 P9 s5 U7 mJapanese aircraft losses ) D' M" s3 G2 x
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed - |. p& Y7 N! z3 R4 m0 y) ]
  
6 J- ~' ^/ @2 l9 t" qAllied aircraft losses * \3 h! I, W) F7 i
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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7 w& D7 w- q% u2 R; B% OJapanese aircraft
( J: D( v8 ^1 n% R* B; R; MG4M1 Betty x 3
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/ U" ]: X; z! Q9 I1 xAllied aircraft ; ?5 X, h) h4 A9 p
F6F Hellcat x 98 $ W2 p7 D+ b. a& }) j
Corsair IV x 23 ) l4 B. R: J  m' ~+ v5 o( N0 W
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Japanese aircraft losses
2 A0 p) Z4 R0 B# g" F! H# XG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed 6 t, n" X5 b) J) [
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Japanese aircraft
$ u: B/ S: r. z. S3 E. _2 vA6M5 Zeke x 50 8 L; a' U" Z0 }% T+ x
D3A Val x 15
" q5 f! q* n+ K, x3 tD4Y Judy x 15   `. r( a+ m" ^# f
A6M3a Zero x 6 " M4 _+ L) H$ t+ w
B5N Kate x 17 # T- R3 ]/ m( V* N
B6N Jill x 2 2 `4 Q8 H" d8 U5 G7 i  n/ E5 g- U
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F6F Hellcat x 98
4 l7 d4 S3 a4 K4 P. }8 SCorsair IV x 23   u/ J3 m' A% x4 K: r' w9 L
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Japanese aircraft losses % ?% \9 `1 N7 t/ k* r/ G
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed 7 s& p# S. ]) }: o0 B9 O
D3A Val: 12 destroyed
# d( `; E" Z& n6 ]D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed ( m: ?8 q! ?! N1 N# Y* C& D
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed # Q6 Z0 ?4 y; c% h
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed ' H: U3 z3 |/ R$ q
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses 2 u+ p$ H0 p- E8 ^0 q- e9 y
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
8 r' J0 _. o0 c: GCorsair IV: 1 destroyed
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( ^' k1 C& c5 Q& g, pCV Formidable
6 N% I/ T6 ^2 I* t4 L% d; h- U$ e5 V/ SCV Illustrious
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: {0 O; F, z; G8 wAircraft Attacking:
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1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 0 v  D+ r' m4 R5 m# Z/ d1 s: a. H7 h
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表' E2 U: [4 P0 i$ X6 V2 P3 u4 @$ B
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目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重) Y. h9 P. P. o: c

: T7 q. R( {- K4 }4 z$ I- P這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利
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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表; X- T' y. `1 l& z. t3 E1 }8 O: f
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表. Y0 ]  z, M7 l3 ^9 m! A! J
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...