原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
5 u6 d  x% e/ |8 f7 [1 _. p: e怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？& r: k1 m1 W) \! d7 t2 _$ k7 {2 y

( L2 o1 x' g) F豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表! i+ `. C! Y# n3 B+ j5 d8 @$ Q
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
. R; C/ B6 S0 U5 b  [4 PPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。8 i. u" `) M8 ?2 l8 A3 i9 w! {

! S, w  c& t) v值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表
) H' B, ^& @- QPzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
) q" N* c: b) r! x5 B4 `他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
% t1 m3 Q/ f( U9 r* U还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。9 b2 N& X- Z' R9 ?
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战报太长了，找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43
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0 w% x( F- Y- ~7 q( p3 l, hTF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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Allied Ships : T4 H) o* W/ o, j( }
MSW Cromer / N+ d# x0 D. D' ]
MSW Goulburn
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ASW attack at 37,69 ) _& n3 d8 ^* e3 ^( H
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Japanese Ships 4 K6 ~* P0 p3 w* Q6 I
PC Ch 22
, F& W% N6 g$ n- lPC Ch 20 ) {3 O* u+ x' }, H8 G
PG Taiko Maru 6 ]0 c! x" T9 u  S- G/ h# L6 @
PG Shosei Maru - L9 T  T5 N1 D6 S8 v3 K+ @
PG Seiko Maru 0 V4 r  A0 ~! [$ D" x
PG Keiko Maru , f) |  E" N4 C3 G% L7 G
PG Aso Maru
$ j  _$ v! p# J1 V% ]  |  ?PG Tamo Maru #7
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Allied Ships
3 n9 h$ v$ H1 k2 j& }& zSS O23
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0 A) S- i# [; v5 o/ L+ l) @2 uDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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" j0 s2 k' O, f' rAllied aircraft
/ S+ T$ Z4 U; G0 MBeaufighter Mk 21 x 3
- [8 V; c5 i4 }# oF-5A Lightning x 2
8 a, r3 s/ S1 N% B& ?$ NB-25J Mitchell x 135
6 i/ q: g" p; ]/ ^  o8 _9 e  % ^. g1 o$ s* k/ I) Y
  
- U' R1 ]. H& w0 H+ FAllied aircraft losses
  D6 W$ F" P7 g* AB-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged
) ?9 s+ u2 f8 v2 x% Q1 n( L  8 L5 j/ Q; Q) l4 ?; v
Japanese ground losses: : U! D5 i: d/ P6 n: ]' n2 K
163 casualties reported 7 B! `8 H/ ]. K- T6 _5 d. t4 H  y" b1 F
Guns lost 1
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Airbase hits 6 : O& x( A3 r# d# ?+ H& M: C4 b; C5 f
Airbase supply hits 3
' x: X( T/ R$ V- qRunway hits 126
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7 |5 n) q, p; A# c, l. D: VAircraft Attacking: # e$ _8 I9 M& y1 D" ~2 r/ B+ _
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet : v# e( E  H; P* S! f
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
( \' _5 \/ O, f! }1 {/ I' E+ O3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet % [5 h) i- s8 D! F9 H8 f8 _
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 1 G# S) B5 n2 b& z/ R
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
8 w6 Y+ q$ ]- u' }1 Y+ m24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 a8 s5 N% x, b: ^2 F13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 ?( Y. T8 Z- m8 }, q6 z( }4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 5 a# z1 l6 Y- r& d
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet   k9 N8 K1 n& ~( E6 R" j
10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 1 L7 l9 `& }- O$ z6 \0 e! |1 \; E
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
; [0 V2 ]/ m/ p, \- Y! T2 _* ]3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet / w3 g/ X. }' ~% h: T+ C) h
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ' F, ]/ g% o& x1 W# X6 ~! a6 T* b
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
* [7 P( ?2 M. R6 K+ I6 m" q! I+ v6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
1 \3 m1 g0 O( k4 \* F2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet - o7 x* [' ^* |- ]( }$ ?
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet # V& v9 y& w( l
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 S+ ^& S% G+ \) ?* ?
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 U% M  l7 B% C
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 5 L* w8 g/ y9 [- @- y/ ]3 ~: n
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet , ~6 }, u$ R4 I$ k2 |
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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( Z" V' T! i4 r3 y, eDay Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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$ \( Q1 `1 \+ Z; J$ P/ @Japanese aircraft
* ~9 @7 S% r; F( L/ f+ o& A; eD3A Val x 54
" E) i# x! p# u; E7 z( W/ HA6M5c Zeke x 47   X: B1 A1 J5 E. F% Q2 ~, g- p9 ~
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No Japanese losses
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3 K* J; f/ I/ f- C" P" P/ _4 T8 ]Runway hits 30
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Aircraft Attacking: 7 m$ ~8 [# T- c2 o' a8 ^
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
: A2 v, ?0 z- u27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet * j2 L* n( b  b, d4 U7 A
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 8 P' Z5 l( y1 M8 B( O
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Japanese aircraft
; Z- f1 L! v, i( C; BA6M5 Zeke x 84 $ I( j  C. A! Z  L) ^; A
D3A Val x 98
1 v( l! Q' Q% C5 J* ED4Y Judy x 95
- `% P+ M) ?% E" oB5N Kate x 129
( R4 l0 P5 A. H( cB6N Jill x 47
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Allied aircraft . t' x  L2 m, E3 r2 g
F6F Hellcat x 147
7 ~) @( F5 Y% @! j; t( e7 MCorsair IV x 24
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. V  A( ]' N' q* f& fJapanese aircraft losses
. j$ S2 ~( V- K. j) n2 NA6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed
1 d; [* ?5 a( Q0 KD3A Val: 73 destroyed
3 n8 g! H. V) x8 e, Y8 V# xD4Y Judy: 72 destroyed
3 w, Z9 c- G0 v" S! X. MB5N Kate: 106 destroyed ( N* |$ u" ?7 L; X' `
B6N Jill: 40 destroyed
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5 E. ]; n; M- t# mAllied aircraft losses ( b# G7 o" L  ^4 a
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged 2 G0 B: ]& G/ @" e7 v, [
Corsair IV: 1 damaged
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Allied Ships / w9 Q0 O+ j% w" Q0 w& ^; D
CVL Cabot
! Q0 p; {/ h5 p1 S- ^' A! z. ?* SCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
  G7 p& ^, \3 wCV Formidable
4 l3 M. d# E2 Y, n9 _2 v6 cCVL Langley
& z3 `/ |0 @# W' @3 A$ w6 }) KCLAA San Diego " J0 s& u# x6 J, }
  
0 w& m( u& M+ i' QAircraft Attacking:
" I& D8 @) m" ?, ]: U3 O9 f1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
* g2 ?8 n' e$ F1 y3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
. M8 N9 W7 z) x0 V  d# c4 U6 a1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
3 j+ U1 d7 o( V. a3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet   i, @" e/ y7 r3 c
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 7 V# E# [" k0 o2 I1 o' o! n+ H
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ; q) d$ p; t  G1 J1 j. D
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 B% T9 G& T7 A1 t6 T+ U  n. G4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
' A9 l: Q- o/ f4 l+ A; b1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
, X- @* }6 v/ I3 T! t9 T+ S. O& U2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
9 k: D7 i7 Y1 |# S9 I9 i. ~2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 `' y7 q) T3 @# j8 w6 H4 Y# I3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 5 I& J( h. o' R. y# |+ l5 Y
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 8 ^$ Y1 ^* f4 h' w5 \) p* ]
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 0 _3 b: ^0 C5 A. b! E
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
' G2 A" ^) k! R) _6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
2 x- V) P  Y6 I- L+ K2 Z9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 1 r3 i& k( e0 ?/ G+ c+ g
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet 8 G0 |" }  [9 o, |. Q- s, F
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
+ N! A. H  Z7 P6 ~9 @6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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' l7 |7 F; V/ T0 l/ bDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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: B5 @  d- I$ k/ hJapanese aircraft 6 f$ j3 u# E% k+ @. Q0 f; A! E7 Z
A6M5 Zeke x 6
6 ]" k  ^( T6 ?D4Y Judy x 27 , k: o- T7 ?+ p9 w, j# o, Q
A6M3a Zero x 9
% W5 _/ M' W) Q! YB5N Kate x 18
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Allied aircraft 2 K: T. o: s( F8 B  J. i) ^. W
F6F Hellcat x 120
: z. x2 B$ J* KCorsair IV x 24
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7 {9 k3 b- g# A1 E7 p4 e. I- o) LJapanese aircraft losses
0 t- _; X. y' b: b; PA6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed 6 F! N8 e+ M" a) M5 W1 S* h
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed - T. V% L  E, f. G* W' n' r
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed ' L, M& k# t" g9 H! c/ B3 b! i
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed 0 N$ Z" |& r' E
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Allied aircraft losses
0 S: {6 T1 i& b( V/ sF6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged 6 V9 G) F$ S8 R2 ]
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Allied Ships ) P4 @( L/ e) s% t2 F9 S0 X
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1
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, |4 p( o- X6 u7 }) H" eAircraft Attacking: 9 g1 v" U/ o, G7 P( R( [0 q3 v: y
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft ! o. @# b2 l. e( S
A6M5 Zeke x 9 6 L' J, x. r$ L7 ~4 M2 a
D3A Val x 9 ; U8 m( y0 y0 j  u) _* R$ \0 L7 w
D4Y Judy x 27 2 v6 k: R# r$ {4 L' P
B5N Kate x 18
8 S# _* G; D# d5 [; X! P& i" v! Q  
4 l$ X& D  k1 T3 b8 v6 ZAllied aircraft
8 [' l% N2 d% R4 ]F6F Hellcat x 115 ' M; i6 }( @+ Y; U/ W8 H
Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses 1 d; S# F1 Q( ?& A
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
: ]1 s# N. e. g9 BD3A Val: 9 destroyed " L7 E7 \! ^+ `7 s6 P1 X/ g
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed % K2 L, M1 ^8 H  k: S
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed
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, G+ G. z' g2 Y# }0 c: q' ~+ q' _Allied aircraft losses
: F) Z3 q/ W0 x* [; U* P- LF6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed + T) L$ I) ]! Z8 \4 Y- `$ H
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Allied Ships
" `3 d* u! g$ ?/ T- M9 TCV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire 1 g$ A, k3 [+ J/ w% g7 t
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire 8 J  v8 I1 v% t  v
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Aircraft Attacking:
9 y+ s5 E% I" E: z0 _$ z( A# s1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
: A9 L0 z' u' M. R0 T- z+ a8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
$ g( ?2 t! r0 Z7 P% |5 b5 O# `2 f5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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6 G' U- `8 W% |5 w& \1 v1 aDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 , {8 V) [* {* m+ Q8 k' S
  
, i6 P/ H) |0 C% ~3 AJapanese aircraft 1 Q5 L' p# L+ @  {# s6 G
G4M1 Betty x 6   x* S; o% F1 L2 u  O* D7 K* w- S
  
& u1 e( ^9 t: sAllied aircraft
7 G! q6 G% _% U. @; h/ @, d5 \F6F Hellcat x 98 : ~( _& s2 J5 q# M( ^. L
Corsair IV x 23
- v0 z/ |" C! p( h( e; t  ; z) R1 u; y* g1 r9 R9 z1 ]: ~; Z
Japanese aircraft losses
; z9 W! Y# i3 {: TG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed ( Q! l8 E3 E* T5 |6 v8 H: d
  9 q% U4 b/ Y$ D. s; a6 K
Allied aircraft losses
. g" [2 o# _) s( }$ ~) q! [, e8 eF6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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* ?) H% r, m6 v' a% r: ?% K: m! [Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 , l% |; o1 E4 {% W( S! C) Z4 f) S- J
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Japanese aircraft
  C. W$ Z0 u! u2 R9 \G4M1 Betty x 3
. `! H* O/ r* T8 t" O0 f  
4 Q9 w- ?$ S! O3 k' H: R- tAllied aircraft
9 x" e" C* ]2 ?: ]F6F Hellcat x 98
1 b+ F# K8 N) E: `- yCorsair IV x 23
; L5 S1 N# r3 F, F% x  ( @( w3 C# v7 f) I% [- H
Japanese aircraft losses
+ G. Y: T. o9 Q: m7 B4 S4 jG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed ! v& V7 x% i( n+ ]+ T" X3 K; N
  
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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5 ?& D* k( T1 UJapanese aircraft # S; Q5 k* c; N6 M/ Z* h
A6M5 Zeke x 50
: b2 y7 Y- H% v1 c3 G/ R: j* o6 tD3A Val x 15 % P8 H  Y6 k1 V0 ^
D4Y Judy x 15
; D8 j2 s, d+ m4 S0 lA6M3a Zero x 6 - y" w; {! f# f8 e
B5N Kate x 17
' p) Y- P4 r0 O5 P$ M# I9 s( L( X' WB6N Jill x 2 ) S; a2 y# d: ?3 Z) l
  
' H3 a  \7 x9 G, NAllied aircraft
# l6 s) B7 P/ h$ T4 q" @: OF6F Hellcat x 98
) ]1 l8 I: f, ^0 Y: n, bCorsair IV x 23 % ]/ U' Y) z# ?( }$ N: f
  
2 m2 P1 M. Z5 c4 FJapanese aircraft losses 0 c, K8 j3 C- c8 S
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed 6 P$ R& p# h, W! N% Z/ a  N
D3A Val: 12 destroyed 1 T; j( R' ~# r
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed + |" v* s* D3 o0 q- j* I
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed 2 w) c+ \0 Y& q8 `& e
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed
% V9 o; h/ s5 l0 N% r; O1 EB6N Jill: 2 destroyed
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9 L' @. f% A# S+ ~+ i6 MAllied aircraft losses
$ b' L: h. a; xF6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged   n! q- P2 {/ \
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed & U, z! F# \2 _7 F* c* e
  
6 {2 p! a" D# q3 ?) e2 f' U7 xAllied Ships
. H# v! ]! q# V! U) ECV Formidable * q( [% }- P6 e+ _4 t
CV Illustrious
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( v% I0 Z( ~& W6 u% ?, Z! GAircraft Attacking:
$ G, v3 u3 ]2 x! Z; E  J, \; ~2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 1 B0 I& ?, _$ E0 V% I5 p! @3 B2 k
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet / {4 ~: w! k- F5 K! g$ G5 L. b
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
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目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重8 n, X7 H& v2 a. {! F: w
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這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利
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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表5 y8 c, a$ t  N1 X
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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" V  I9 Z; b+ e这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表; B; ]% Z1 f+ Q4 [/ S+ J; m" ?& ?
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...