原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
' K6 t, {/ X% A0 S0 A. f怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？1 T  p& N, R8 \) Z
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豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表, G  I, S1 ^/ g8 T2 a' D( \, J
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表8 W! c, H1 ~8 J! u( F8 g
PzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。
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值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表
5 S  D3 b$ \! ~' |PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。' [. \* B$ z/ l) e* k9 ?
他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
! K+ o" ]7 \" q, l* }6 o7 ^还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43 8 x$ b$ R+ P8 a- R$ @, _

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TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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& }- |" m9 X0 u! ?, R+ g1 \1 \MSW Cromer
' g3 @) p) k" H0 J+ O8 w2 h5 CMSW Goulburn
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ASW attack at 37,69   G# w  \3 U3 e9 }2 f2 O
  
8 ^9 m* L$ u9 D$ K9 EJapanese Ships 7 e# ?8 [1 k; I& J5 h
PC Ch 22 3 k' p0 M3 @' H, n' S, ~
PC Ch 20
0 k* Z/ l& G) {# N4 TPG Taiko Maru
/ {5 [" K" P$ G3 k  G) N" KPG Shosei Maru ) B2 ?7 O& i9 e
PG Seiko Maru
: k/ y7 d7 t$ }& A3 ]$ }PG Keiko Maru
# q5 @" M( N- H0 \+ S8 h) JPG Aso Maru % `8 p  d6 a- `  J$ c, }- e! A, l
PG Tamo Maru #7 : I$ W$ D1 N8 ?) t! ?% W" L6 q3 _/ d
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SS O23 2 K  }5 R2 F% ?% q
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# a% [/ p% G+ u' n* v7 MDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 & E  G7 q0 Z8 q  D0 Y5 ~
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: K/ y1 J4 [) I/ `. i2 C7 J* R( EAllied aircraft + r9 K) k6 `7 o) [
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 7 p9 H! h% H+ Y$ @% {
F-5A Lightning x 2 2 V" U1 S) m) a; N( t
B-25J Mitchell x 135
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Allied aircraft losses
7 E% [( B0 Y5 l! R( z) K) W& T7 u, `B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged 2 Z5 a4 w- P, {
  
- K7 Y: ]- d3 E- u/ x5 I" cJapanese ground losses: % G( A1 k: }+ ^- c0 }
163 casualties reported
7 c% h% _$ x' I3 [* TGuns lost 1
8 b. S: c% I$ A# ^  2 r$ z& U  F6 J) L7 Z9 {/ O9 V, Y9 T
Airbase hits 6 . D; Q6 O7 p( |$ V( g' Q7 f: T
Airbase supply hits 3 $ z( X6 [! b+ \4 V! t% Y& J
Runway hits 126 ) O# ]- [# R9 C. I" ?& T
  
9 T) `: U8 L$ h7 _- f# c/ W- P' E. [Aircraft Attacking:
( h5 W: @$ e0 c; ^0 o6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
- m( L8 z( ?/ I4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
- \' X3 |/ e# ?$ p$ W3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
6 j5 m9 x/ b% ?! C3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 U5 T0 G. e; }) q" U& \16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
( U9 q5 r/ j) l! E/ J  ~5 p8 L1 x24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet " L) u$ a7 b% O# Q9 ?' ]4 e, f* }
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 0 C4 V! ^9 }& e0 O+ P- j" Y( f3 q
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 0 X6 ]" j3 V. N0 s- f# I  y
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
( b& E, B2 H& Y* t10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
2 `/ `, o$ ^3 ?% T/ \. D6 X( C13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ) n/ ~6 Q& \* V) N% @* U# N
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet + H/ C% G8 d- ]
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet * r. `9 g- u; y5 a2 X6 Z
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 f  x# Q9 Z7 ^" P3 K. {9 R) D  T& F6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 x0 O) w$ h7 C; J2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 {( l) `" G7 P% c6 R- v
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 r; }4 D" C4 d& y  B) u5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
! X! ?  x9 X" J: X0 T; h3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 @' T" `3 K2 M& K0 R3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet . @1 q. o4 [, m& ^
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 1 U( R" k& @3 ]8 F- ~
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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0 q1 k; {2 k# G$ X$ A" B6 x) sD3A Val x 54 ) l: i, n0 O& p$ W" R, A
A6M5c Zeke x 47 . a( [$ l# I" b4 X( \8 j8 t2 ]. T
  
1 f7 ^: s% f8 w3 V! u/ xNo Japanese losses , M5 m5 q. G+ G6 [0 p3 F
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Runway hits 30 & l5 f5 a/ L* t) K; y& A, }. v) b
  
% N5 C% U6 c3 R, T- T7 TAircraft Attacking: $ Z4 o; J$ {3 P  X8 ?
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet   U& Q& P$ e1 d; H  J4 g
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet $ z$ a5 ~% v6 H7 y' N
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet : K$ e' w: u$ q7 h' d7 i4 o" r
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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8 t% D3 h2 ?3 r0 p' C/ J4 t  WA6M5 Zeke x 84 : a, H2 P/ C/ }
D3A Val x 98 , F7 {* }1 C+ O' ?
D4Y Judy x 95
% x! N. u# e. U' h" u" OB5N Kate x 129 1 s3 D/ [0 J8 n) K
B6N Jill x 47 ) g  ~$ c0 R# A3 O8 p
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Allied aircraft 0 F6 T8 I" _: s7 v" L% X* N
F6F Hellcat x 147
( n9 A+ }, \$ J! [9 VCorsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses
2 r' |; ^/ O0 ~# L; xA6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed
  e' C/ ?: L# l7 ?- Q) X1 _D3A Val: 73 destroyed + {! w0 Q0 U$ w& n5 L
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed , C4 u+ ?  K0 K/ p6 B
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed
  F" N9 L# _2 l7 b. i" Y) EB6N Jill: 40 destroyed 2 x+ N: A) V5 ~5 I9 @8 \; n0 _
  
5 s; b5 i7 c5 RAllied aircraft losses , B5 Y4 m3 {/ m- @! y
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
( Z7 h3 W* Y8 E# m6 hCorsair IV: 1 damaged
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Allied Ships * x% \" o% `- e8 J9 A9 k6 V2 M& B7 z
CVL Cabot 2 R% _: c' G$ f5 z( z
CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
7 ]: H7 i  M5 }, W! k+ QCV Formidable ! Y  c3 D8 H" ^# j3 B
CVL Langley 8 G6 k0 H/ ]" H
CLAA San Diego 0 U9 J2 J% w$ F3 Z0 [+ Z
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Aircraft Attacking:
3 _' n- t' a- Q) I1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
- `2 w2 A! T3 f8 ?% L3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet . u  g$ g& |( i. Q& B0 ^
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
$ b+ Y% b  b$ C4 H; W/ S( ^9 Z: q3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
8 R. }8 r4 x0 h# D3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet + K: T8 W2 r2 u# @. U4 C( D
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 Z3 Z2 A7 S( j2 t* ~3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
; s" f" ?1 C- `- \& H5 ^5 |4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
7 B- G; |& q; ]5 g1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
( V3 r' }) r4 \' t# R+ `2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
; k* q/ [0 F/ N6 g2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ; k! c5 H! r: K
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
0 Q4 w8 S" x3 u" t7 S! Y% T, u1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet # u% F8 d7 a. _4 T  n
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
# {* x6 r1 D9 d: G) M4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 9 N- F4 s" C) i0 w# d2 M, N; J
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet , _2 T1 A& _  c' U
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet " Z- R2 v* n* Q2 M& }
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
) `+ V$ e+ r* [' h- C9 O8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 h! E5 O. E. b6 A0 m6 J# M
6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 9 w" g9 e# D" c
  
  \2 d* P9 t( x7 C, d% n3 hJapanese aircraft
7 k# U# M4 s3 w* b- R, x. t7 V* JA6M5 Zeke x 6 " |: @3 d' g# x" {4 k5 Z
D4Y Judy x 27
" l; H1 `7 u8 P% S) EA6M3a Zero x 9 ( O$ t2 {0 U) q$ ]
B5N Kate x 18 0 p4 W, g' G, e! e- n
  
5 g/ `; d1 l: \" p7 ^* WAllied aircraft
. s7 U$ q7 d& [$ [5 U& pF6F Hellcat x 120
. r) K$ D. x" ^  v& v/ H3 J) x8 t* L( D0 jCorsair IV x 24 , J% b4 U5 }% s+ c) x! H; ^7 f( A
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Japanese aircraft losses
; D( P' U' e/ S- X0 g/ U, ^  |A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
" Y" W( V/ Y" r; g) eD4Y Judy: 20 destroyed 5 f) z; e+ \% Y1 d: ~9 v
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
% E) e3 P6 G9 P* a0 ~' ^B5N Kate: 17 destroyed & q. Z0 y2 }! m$ b( m
  
+ Y/ ?" c" O, `* l# zAllied aircraft losses # K; S: y  q  |
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged 5 |& U2 K: w# V
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7 f9 |) Q5 L; g8 d6 ]) vCV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 ! @& Y4 H! i, c: b  [! ^& R
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Aircraft Attacking: - e6 G1 E8 T$ e4 J
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet + k5 d) w5 n5 P& [. t* `8 ?
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 / F( c9 H$ b, G
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Japanese aircraft
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D3A Val x 9   g/ p" Y1 n# G$ v
D4Y Judy x 27
" w7 ~% k1 H5 Q3 JB5N Kate x 18
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Allied aircraft
9 J7 n. R7 r8 E8 h5 ^0 b, mF6F Hellcat x 115 ' c3 n( U9 E$ `; |
Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses : X! i# |  S" X3 ~
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed , h: w. V% z- i0 Q
D3A Val: 9 destroyed * }- @+ ~% n5 ~$ t$ u
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed , C) _, N$ S: L( u7 y: R" e. P
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed
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1 |3 r' K4 s, V) W- s( w; w4 WAllied aircraft losses & B. p9 V8 _% `1 P% J9 x2 a3 L
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed - s# Q6 P/ ^5 P
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Allied Ships
  c+ c# h  O8 \& d5 R6 lCV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire 1 x+ g6 y/ m9 u3 n  `
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
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Aircraft Attacking:
# t9 m; {5 H/ I: m+ a1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet % P& a2 Z2 W1 ^$ T6 b  K
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet $ l& \6 _* W! S
5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet # y) C5 B0 k2 g8 P9 P4 O
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+ p' p' z" I# |* ]3 B3 CDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft
$ c+ J9 q2 j& j: X( @6 e8 M7 i( DG4M1 Betty x 6 / F* ]  D4 O, K) |2 {: G' U* i- B
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Allied aircraft 8 e, x/ C3 g) C9 |3 F6 Q
F6F Hellcat x 98
: m& Z: @: G  @5 K0 N: V% ^Corsair IV x 23
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Japanese aircraft losses
- \$ K* ?, h3 F% QG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses 1 P' L  g6 S- {& Q
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 7 O8 |9 b1 u+ B
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# @6 U9 g0 Y9 f( \' q, P5 U; S+ XG4M1 Betty x 3 2 B: ^0 z3 u; G8 a6 F- e
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% q' R& ?  h# e  V3 b2 d7 |7 ^. bF6F Hellcat x 98 9 ~" q% X; W+ x+ B) P+ p
Corsair IV x 23 5 h" j" |3 r" U! J; i" P; z& Y
  
3 U9 \+ n' b) ~+ w" ?! v& ~9 t- vJapanese aircraft losses
+ [+ y- {( b' p3 a, m6 Z4 VG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft 6 @7 \6 ~' K% S( h: }4 j5 n
A6M5 Zeke x 50 ) f5 }, f% C. r8 x6 U) E! r+ M
D3A Val x 15 ' L4 B4 S  [& }$ X* r
D4Y Judy x 15
9 d" q, b1 M! {7 l% k! nA6M3a Zero x 6
: {9 e0 K$ f. P; U: `B5N Kate x 17 ( t3 \" l& k) C, @% q
B6N Jill x 2
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3 s" W: z& }) @/ T" M* dF6F Hellcat x 98
" P3 x0 D$ v2 U) V8 ~3 q& p2 n" ICorsair IV x 23
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. G7 n$ R: I9 L+ y. \8 z- @Japanese aircraft losses 6 P( Y9 }& Y& L! u& K% o% |1 Y$ s
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
0 m; x5 n- W4 ?D3A Val: 12 destroyed
1 l, ~4 f) R2 s3 k! d' CD4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
/ S2 ?1 t. o" m% yA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed   G: u3 s, W/ g! _8 f$ A
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed
: O# ]% [7 ~( @, bB6N Jill: 2 destroyed
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3 I) m% k1 B# R$ l! b$ ^F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
9 t0 B$ ?6 L$ e* c. jCorsair IV: 1 destroyed ; o1 ?. X' w. b" v* U0 y; W
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6 ]4 X  M! k, C5 z1 j0 `( ACV Formidable
5 `7 ?9 m6 k4 L: rCV Illustrious
- [9 T0 T( @, N  ACVL Cabot
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Aircraft Attacking: * i  F8 O+ s. D1 X: E. V
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 v0 L- v- c  Z4 R
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
0 w* G( F+ i* |% K- X1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
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. u9 {/ X1 @5 a, c2 y! {: l目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重8 u- k# r" p! N2 T8 i4 F
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這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利
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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表4 ?$ w3 G* _8 `/ ~" b3 W' l1 f- `% z
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表9 q0 @6 B# ]5 I. ^$ z' \
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...