原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
6 E( R7 V( q1 J+ I+ U怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？/ {# H, N7 }. @; L; T
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豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表
( i. U5 J' M/ L; F. H) P楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表' x% c  M0 g" _( w  E
PzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。% r) p4 Z" s: g, @& A. {# M

1 T- A1 p; k# E# [% v- e! i$ o值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表
5 E4 U7 R/ V7 d5 f" V( r7 ~PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。4 [  P2 B9 o! `5 s( W& B# M
他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
& x5 O! J2 q! Q8 z还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。+ s0 Q# B4 B# P; R

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43 1 L" R; k  m) C4 a* c# n' R
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TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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Allied Ships
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MSW Goulburn - j  u5 A% M. Q* o" N
  
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ASW attack at 37,69
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Japanese Ships % o, g3 X4 t+ \
PC Ch 22 " e8 H1 R$ T. u( q8 y
PC Ch 20 0 p# Z% D% e: v1 a
PG Taiko Maru
, D8 S& a; w' u" SPG Shosei Maru
1 {  {+ ^. Q1 Q5 r$ _; Q2 }PG Seiko Maru
% V  g; ]( q& ]1 l2 ^, kPG Keiko Maru 5 w9 w$ P9 A$ U
PG Aso Maru , M& h& V: @3 @% S3 e0 x8 ]8 a
PG Tamo Maru #7
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# B% d* }+ B5 F3 }# ~Allied Ships - @# i8 ]( L4 k/ l, G
SS O23 3 |  ^8 }: @& q4 G7 o4 y0 W+ }" }
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" _  a' G" l- \. w4 u& e: l+ ^( dDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 9 B. N) b& A7 x0 g
  
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Allied aircraft 6 p2 y5 G8 K6 ?0 @/ }( D" Q
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 1 @1 ?9 X+ ?- {6 m1 p, r% t
F-5A Lightning x 2
1 D! V! ~/ l' U5 t- _  YB-25J Mitchell x 135
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: n3 c! t, n& l, x* X( g8 pAllied aircraft losses
) y8 [1 s9 z, m; dB-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged
9 x9 v. k# d2 E  ; Q( x7 R/ W+ l" L: x  F9 r
Japanese ground losses:
" i8 W6 C/ @- o; z9 ~$ r163 casualties reported 4 q7 X2 X4 J! W, f5 `8 `
Guns lost 1
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5 Q- T( g3 }( c, U9 k1 ]) {% FAirbase hits 6
: F  d# Q( T  [) h0 AAirbase supply hits 3 / z/ E* ~# H4 h' x! ^
Runway hits 126
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Aircraft Attacking: 9 r& s- m! r1 u1 G- ]7 U
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet & X* ]3 q6 E# g
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
  K  t; a* s; q% |3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
6 {" @; i8 D) |  w- D3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
: `( g( y9 S2 t7 k. y+ ?16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
+ I! Q5 `0 o& f3 y$ S24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
+ c% n& j* |7 q0 I13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
0 A, q9 `6 N9 l( \3 i$ ?4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 K$ m/ x% z5 p0 L/ j) B0 E3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 T8 \# m  Y9 y% l$ o& V- L10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
( i! ?9 _) j' X13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet * j) [, F, v* |1 x% S
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 v* q: D7 Q  [! Q2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet / V' {  V9 ?( G: b/ a
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
8 g+ V" b4 \# I4 F- `6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( y" n5 ]$ C* W; s! _9 m& O
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
& o7 d/ f* i0 U, J5 X7 z+ _* \% {  i4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
1 j& O1 q2 E+ e! {9 h5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet / b: G/ ^- F6 p7 z& _
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
( Z& r/ {# E& A' ?3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
; p9 ?( Y' T, k5 d) O* o3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ) f$ o1 }: G: s- ~( |- o3 H) S
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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6 h+ a  R2 C8 E+ hDay Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 % Q* T; W" g; S4 o) h! U4 l" E
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Japanese aircraft
, o( I! i& o: M" j' b: h& OD3A Val x 54 ; y. o# I7 g# T: u' y1 q
A6M5c Zeke x 47 + f9 @& p5 P; }( j0 @1 V
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No Japanese losses
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Runway hits 30 % U8 g9 {% C, D5 q9 d
  
. _# k7 K! L7 d8 C1 y) gAircraft Attacking:
. S& P5 q: n+ |  {! ]27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 2 J) X+ m' r! A! b
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet & @, ^; e9 v/ d2 \
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet % h1 `# M1 L/ n$ A
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 6 e! M8 [7 X8 j( o" A
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Japanese aircraft ! `$ r0 c/ i0 b6 B- v1 |! [$ k
A6M5 Zeke x 84 " M1 ?2 z1 }  @+ F4 D( o$ v
D3A Val x 98
% c8 \0 _# Z- O3 N0 BD4Y Judy x 95   @8 z/ S5 Q2 Q) a: D$ o
B5N Kate x 129 8 u$ P, L* R6 K% k) u, y1 o5 H& z3 X
B6N Jill x 47
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" R# g, x' w+ |% s& \3 n! A8 oAllied aircraft 5 c" G6 D! d5 N3 s. ~7 }& E' E
F6F Hellcat x 147
" \# l. ?4 h& J5 R; L2 @Corsair IV x 24
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' R+ w  n8 s, ]' U# n8 A3 vJapanese aircraft losses : M+ c. ?7 L) K  k
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed
# q9 O& K( X( S3 a" Z" [4 cD3A Val: 73 destroyed + H7 }  I7 Q9 u
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed   p! x! H. w# b4 C0 z" `! u
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed ! @2 N! C$ }! o- s) [6 e5 ?
B6N Jill: 40 destroyed + [7 b$ h; t. e5 [
  
/ k, L* P' R5 q* D  [Allied aircraft losses * C2 k' O4 z! r. z/ N, M
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
3 e3 Q2 _2 T% \9 h  bCorsair IV: 1 damaged ( C( Y+ {( f: u/ X( t/ m, G& m# _5 I
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Allied Ships
$ Q& k3 X/ K" y+ `CVL Cabot
/ l" x0 F" q3 ~) }# P; nCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1 2 \' u0 K' s2 t# [0 P1 @2 d
CV Formidable $ F0 H9 n. K: c9 K5 L
CVL Langley
* x' d5 ]9 c2 P9 GCLAA San Diego
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Aircraft Attacking: 6 q2 b1 d* i( a( O' i
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 5 {6 U* }& f, j$ l9 N
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
" V) p# [- j' u7 X7 ?9 j1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
  k& Y# Q7 I. Z: u/ B3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet ( u6 L* y7 y: U  d, G$ N  v, Q# ]
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
4 s. r- M3 _! L9 R# D' Z1 O& j1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet % {/ C# u' y$ b5 \1 B
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
, q3 j+ p) ~$ U! o0 F+ E2 m( X4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
% [: V' Z( w/ m# j3 {7 I* }1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ; u3 f* o4 \$ M. ~" i
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 8 ]4 M" H& F+ {1 q- ~& \& p
2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
. o+ v6 D0 R. v) |3 X3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
! w2 a; m4 u4 E  y1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet # n; `8 h& D( i6 W& q8 ?
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
2 c3 F/ n1 H0 g4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ; |6 w2 E; ^' D+ y3 U8 U6 H) G
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
2 W6 V6 ^$ N" D1 J9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
: J4 v8 A: U9 ~& o5 O3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
0 H4 C) G9 M8 B+ J8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 q$ ?1 y3 z# b9 f. _. T
6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet ' e# J7 [: v* H! l8 V
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 3 _% }7 b3 x% o0 X
  
8 W9 N* p3 |- T$ D5 x+ q# ]. sJapanese aircraft
( c# H( `5 K# D) w4 iA6M5 Zeke x 6
6 E5 R/ t0 C1 G2 Z- P6 {D4Y Judy x 27
) @, A* _- ^5 B! dA6M3a Zero x 9
1 y( J& Q8 A' d8 gB5N Kate x 18 # s. ]3 z5 J( P0 e" F
  
$ f9 u1 H" P" g6 W9 d& A9 |5 z+ JAllied aircraft
' f+ x% z; x9 j, }% xF6F Hellcat x 120 8 T$ X0 p2 N* G' H% m
Corsair IV x 24 # A3 ?: |8 f  U, U* z* h
  
) o( F, y8 m! G* k" QJapanese aircraft losses ; D7 K, c& |- x$ Q& s  U9 _/ n( q
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed 2 s/ m$ F& @+ Y3 R* [: e. ~2 h
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed
$ {6 g/ F& ]% P& L  uA6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed 4 |9 ]8 d. ?: W. T
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses
. d8 V8 y) a# O: I6 [9 Q5 zF6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Allied Ships
' k1 w, R- v% F( {CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 . ?& S: _3 p$ {( [/ u) X# N5 P# g& Y" U' L
  
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1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet " A+ ^; A8 l/ ]+ x, k
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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5 Z2 F0 s$ n/ c) o# zJapanese aircraft 6 F" c4 X, X8 j. U( A2 H
A6M5 Zeke x 9 $ s5 [8 R& w. M( e- V# V% |6 d
D3A Val x 9
$ z+ b5 w2 x- z7 X2 VD4Y Judy x 27
2 H3 ]+ T8 V: A* h5 b2 o0 iB5N Kate x 18
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+ O0 K5 z' l- f6 gAllied aircraft
3 G% v; C' k% s/ P5 m( sF6F Hellcat x 115 3 D/ f; p, M' Y! h$ C2 i
Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses * D; n' e' \) n6 X  @
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
8 @6 I: S/ M4 bD3A Val: 9 destroyed : F; t% I3 m9 J* e- V
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed . f- C. A: Y! `' b0 P
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed
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$ g  F: w' p) |F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed
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Allied Ships
* }& ^4 a3 Q+ x4 H6 N& ~' eCV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
% |* f$ O0 \! o. {2 BDD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire 5 F' J$ Y8 T% S$ S. x
  
1 U' \2 M# M( @$ FAircraft Attacking:   s6 s5 j4 [. B# [( |1 y$ B: V
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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9 w6 B# q& m: A- Z' h4 D: D5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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' c2 H8 h, [& [0 s9 H3 ADay Air attack on TF at 14,79 * f" t- K( n* [2 q. P" V
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Japanese aircraft
1 B4 m# n9 [$ r( }3 T0 |! _G4M1 Betty x 6 / |! ~' ?, Y! q7 h4 g
  
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' d) `6 F  E$ o0 C% ZF6F Hellcat x 98
* i+ e2 [  Z7 a" FCorsair IV x 23
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$ D* _, _" r4 `; f; ^Japanese aircraft losses & f9 Y; X5 }+ b. L
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed + F7 Z# G' v( O: ~
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Allied aircraft losses ( K+ ]( e7 p3 R' D& |" m* O4 D
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 * p: P8 }2 k' o& V) ~
  
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Allied aircraft
# W* C# i5 K; Y: P/ R  S1 A2 R: B  EF6F Hellcat x 98
; L$ ~& Q7 W! ~& _) p) ^2 pCorsair IV x 23
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Japanese aircraft losses $ ~: [( k  k  G  x; h: z: i8 |
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft
& {4 \( g! w) q& [A6M5 Zeke x 50
# N8 x) E& p; p- {( ^' m: x) ZD3A Val x 15 1 F2 B: U! X. }2 k
D4Y Judy x 15
) j+ ?3 X* D$ r) H& l* pA6M3a Zero x 6
: M! Z: D8 V- W" v0 S( `2 A% [B5N Kate x 17 & o2 m6 z# z( J/ H- {  r1 ^7 |# M/ s
B6N Jill x 2 , [8 U+ O- E& W2 @
  
3 k1 y& E/ i5 n6 qAllied aircraft
+ ~0 @0 e' O6 f3 h3 OF6F Hellcat x 98 4 W6 J9 j8 Q% R) s, l
Corsair IV x 23
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4 m; ~( t. w9 ^- `$ _/ rJapanese aircraft losses 5 `* r4 D- g9 t
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed 4 O! C! ~$ v7 X& }) }
D3A Val: 12 destroyed 2 G/ {& n3 A, Q: A2 s
D4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
) P+ N$ C7 K" f9 h0 ~3 Y# kA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed 9 K$ \# X6 R7 u. E1 L; J
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed * r5 I, M8 h- `7 k1 @' q
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed 4 U# P, f+ d0 x3 \8 ~- L! x( [
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Allied aircraft losses 3 `+ {% P' a# U) X
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
/ z0 d4 J4 y7 b2 ICorsair IV: 1 destroyed   b+ s/ K! o2 m- [$ x
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Allied Ships ( e  A* A2 ]; V) V+ U8 v" l2 @
CV Formidable
9 q2 b! J$ a1 g: ?. W, I3 pCV Illustrious
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% K, H; f4 S! u( JAircraft Attacking: 8 S) p4 k' x0 b- @) {
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
$ \5 @5 M% ]9 a# ?' A; K1 o) v1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 |. J; C8 Q! H: V
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
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  o  z2 {" ~4 w( z目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重
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這在CV 對戰中, 對日方不利0 w4 P5 r+ u- C" e1 t' a3 I

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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表; w( ?" c/ i7 s7 `6 {2 W( `- d
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表+ L3 h2 k' ?% s& f. N) p: ]
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...