原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表
. Q8 [& z# o8 Q1 }2 W怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？
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豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表4 O- w% ]) n& r
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表$ x) ^5 u: z4 F4 ]! D) W" x5 C: H  F4 u
PzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。  S" |$ t+ J. O" d' P, P
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值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表+ ~& s  i: t* @
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
4 @. C3 J% g* E4 U: q他的KB似乎损失很重，而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
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战报太长了，找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...

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; Y/ s8 {* v* ~, A; _TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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" F1 R2 h- w% M" F0 IMSW Cromer
, O5 [( m, m# J7 S( e6 R2 uMSW Goulburn , l: P4 b6 W7 g3 r( a" Z: e$ ]
  
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$ v/ H+ k5 ]/ O  gASW attack at 37,69 % C9 Q" H' s. _  O# z, ^# w
  
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PC Ch 20
, C4 I: L+ x. G! ?PG Taiko Maru ) |1 Z' C; p9 M+ h3 m% F4 Z3 G
PG Shosei Maru
) G% e& n1 D( w/ h; [7 J2 C0 lPG Seiko Maru , ?8 ?& |8 J9 |, Z+ B* Q
PG Keiko Maru 6 p( u" D" r6 d9 Q* V. h- ^
PG Aso Maru
% p8 V$ m! H- L$ H1 MPG Tamo Maru #7
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Allied aircraft " `3 I+ v8 c9 A( {- m3 _" n: u4 j
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 6 c3 c# u( ~7 `# @& a7 \
F-5A Lightning x 2
' ~5 h- D) p8 u! Y- CB-25J Mitchell x 135
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' O9 r9 R6 g: g9 [8 |Allied aircraft losses 7 }; l. W/ F: g
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged   L* E' [5 R3 }; {* ~
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Japanese ground losses: . n. B* R& h5 b- \! r# q7 N; P+ s
163 casualties reported
5 {- L' u* r  m. E+ Y- xGuns lost 1 8 v( }$ _8 O) A1 i
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Airbase hits 6 - t/ }  C/ U4 o6 J0 F3 J7 s% R
Airbase supply hits 3 ' c2 V( {+ @/ w  g
Runway hits 126
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Aircraft Attacking: . e  W. K& w; ^) e
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet   v+ q: k4 |) W& X) K! P# p- W# \+ d' {
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 7 m4 s1 H! `5 q2 _
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( V( N+ w6 M5 |; v7 M
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 b5 C0 Q6 }* n9 q; e; g3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
: w' ?' ~: w; Q4 [10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ) b, \  s0 S9 A' _
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet , h% L4 D/ o9 k* @
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
& f# @% x" V7 ^' S3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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- [% u9 |  G4 N! y$ y. IJapanese aircraft * M0 F& j, |2 y* g1 b
D3A Val x 54 0 m! W# L9 {. |7 K
A6M5c Zeke x 47 $ n! L3 ]3 n0 G% d
  
$ c3 l" C! e9 O9 Y: c. y8 R) }No Japanese losses
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! g& x; o" @7 A( PRunway hits 30 " H  I8 U) S9 ~/ Q* f4 O
  
! a0 A% c. o* s: S4 N! nAircraft Attacking: . y4 c! T$ \% O2 X
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Japanese aircraft
1 C2 N0 o1 g' E2 _! ]: R: LA6M5 Zeke x 84
! S5 }. j3 O* n3 k( ]$ uD3A Val x 98 ! F; Q" W4 T/ G
D4Y Judy x 95 ( ^9 X: U! ?* Q. Y* {9 N
B5N Kate x 129 2 b( F/ `2 G  u: C. ^. w3 g- Q
B6N Jill x 47
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# c$ Y4 i7 y! C9 G+ j6 ^Allied aircraft
% m/ m$ B3 n6 p; DF6F Hellcat x 147 5 B$ A8 v2 [& |" A8 J
Corsair IV x 24
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D3A Val: 73 destroyed ; O; o) z5 u7 E9 q' z. w. @
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed - b# G% T  p. i, z- }
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed
1 i6 }, _" k, u$ Y+ V  T+ VB6N Jill: 40 destroyed # C% I$ l! t! y# {
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Allied aircraft losses 1 k2 t' ^# ]; f/ ^+ _! k
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged * Z; n" e7 }3 X5 N
Corsair IV: 1 damaged
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CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
" ]. L+ s# v* |7 [! d& fCV Formidable
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" m0 D* {* z5 r" x, G- PCLAA San Diego
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Aircraft Attacking: 0 a$ K7 @. M5 j7 N
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 3 |0 |% R& `" }% R  p; }
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
- V9 m% ~9 q7 t% s& j: S1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
6 J( c/ _" J$ V5 b+ L" y/ Q& T3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet # \* g' E0 \$ H2 P9 m' U8 z
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
5 l  I: f" ~7 o! b1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet & _  S' {+ a6 I+ `3 i" a
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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, [' B- E, E3 w% J- d1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 w: F& }5 Z- e" a: S8 `$ W2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
1 T1 t4 c3 l3 Y' r) t2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
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4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
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9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet ( n" ~( ^" U! e3 P
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
$ P- q& b) g+ _- M# ~8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
. J/ Z3 |9 H6 |2 f6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet " j' @5 L+ a- o* u5 K
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A6M5 Zeke x 6
# w. |7 b; p, b) kD4Y Judy x 27 : F; Z( ^  ^7 W) m2 m& M
A6M3a Zero x 9 & |" l8 @; b' R/ k
B5N Kate x 18
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F6F Hellcat x 120
; T" F' D" s3 q* p5 CCorsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses ' s! a: ^* ?8 i' {- M
A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed , ]' i. |% W9 _
D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed / U: l! _8 k% Y2 {4 Q( f2 ~) |
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
; }3 N9 i# u1 e5 f: W( E' r- I0 M5 YB5N Kate: 17 destroyed 3 f) a8 f: \1 M
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  t. h( V- w) u  WF6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged 3 h5 e" @0 {, r4 z# w
  
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! L& Z! Q: R8 UCV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1 - y) k9 \% k, F
  
  B$ v# x" g- l9 @Aircraft Attacking:
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) v1 M7 v( H$ R7 f1 h4 @5 ^& G- `9 lJapanese aircraft 2 w7 M- N% G4 ?7 B; p% d) R
A6M5 Zeke x 9 2 E5 i3 R5 R" g7 p8 B3 P2 Y+ B
D3A Val x 9
0 ^4 K. z: |4 D% b  ^' MD4Y Judy x 27 / X* @& }( x% z: M; O
B5N Kate x 18 * e$ \: g2 H$ `4 r
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Allied aircraft , V5 q, K  [  b! K
F6F Hellcat x 115 $ P( O  Y7 M2 e: l3 B2 h/ Q. z$ X
Corsair IV x 24 + C6 E. |: ]/ c
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Japanese aircraft losses
4 {1 S2 R- O8 N4 Q/ M4 E: zA6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
- b4 b$ O; o4 `D3A Val: 9 destroyed 6 U: e4 ~# p1 z+ Q# B) a: r: k' m
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed
' b( o. d4 `$ W6 B/ r7 nB5N Kate: 10 destroyed % ^; |6 f( B& [0 W' k7 M  x
  
& c8 H) i& N3 q, ?0 X0 KAllied aircraft losses
9 _1 o1 N. H7 S" `5 f" q- KF6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed * |8 ~0 S. B2 g- F8 ]
  
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CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire . t- ]6 t& d. X4 }7 V: }* @/ ]
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire , ]. e. }8 X2 m1 |
  
8 j$ K* K9 f. |Aircraft Attacking: 0 Q( \: Y6 d( g& c) i' b* g
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
1 x, }& v$ i9 R( j# o8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 0 q8 @5 E4 i0 s3 k! e
5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet   t) l2 {* i8 B
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G4M1 Betty x 6
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( i' Z) C3 @3 b  e% T6 @Allied aircraft
& \& d' Y; S! [, ~1 ^F6F Hellcat x 98   u, L, T  Q: G: b3 D/ O* o
Corsair IV x 23 ' v* A, ?8 N* ~  j. k
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. s: R# z. W2 y: xG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed 1 F" j. W0 A  B7 l5 _- I7 Q$ _
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F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged ( ?; r9 Q) X+ b& O
  
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Allied aircraft
6 I9 r0 D3 m: s# H3 RF6F Hellcat x 98 . v" I: A% a* P" a9 R  K7 B: ~0 ]
Corsair IV x 23
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' e  G# g4 B( K: f) U/ cJapanese aircraft losses 2 v4 u- }7 F0 f' D" r
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed 3 [& G& y2 S) ^) a5 ^" i. V2 q; d, w
  
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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7 o9 p6 c% r+ e6 |2 E" p; cA6M5 Zeke x 50
& Y9 y! u9 J  Q6 j) hD3A Val x 15
0 o7 o* Q2 U0 q; M" lD4Y Judy x 15
8 s" a( h. {6 j: N5 T( AA6M3a Zero x 6
6 F7 B3 b, S& c. j# WB5N Kate x 17 3 {" j- A+ c. [4 {
B6N Jill x 2 % F! {8 p! A  `' C
  
4 y) ^2 O% o* o7 v3 x" c+ lAllied aircraft
1 e* M( C8 i; N: FF6F Hellcat x 98 + n; ^# B+ \# o0 [2 Q$ Y
Corsair IV x 23 9 p4 n( G" \5 h  @% c
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- k' P1 D/ @& J7 D' ~A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
: d- _8 `& A$ T8 F6 O6 T5 TD3A Val: 12 destroyed
8 S) a5 q. b1 y( qD4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
/ ?) E1 v7 \5 O$ h( j, ]& YA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed 6 Q; h- p+ j% Z6 C
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed , ~* V& \2 b" r: r. q- T! j8 ^
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed - n# y$ ~/ z0 B7 }/ L0 s% I4 H; E& z
  
8 f; W; T" J$ K/ y) |8 TAllied aircraft losses + Q- H9 R4 m% K4 m9 R+ M8 s9 i0 Q
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged ( B+ U0 |2 Y3 C( K, b, u1 P* Y
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
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CV Formidable
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CVL Cabot , m0 a) [  P* V) y, S
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Aircraft Attacking: * \; d# }/ f7 ~6 W
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ) O% ?: R1 P+ p- B; U0 e# T4 S
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
# B2 v% p4 t3 i1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表
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目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重
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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表1 ?$ g5 q& j7 L
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表4 P5 o, \3 @+ F' h1 h
盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...