原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-1 09:49 发表" s7 Q  A" j: m9 n
怎么区分胜败？算总分吗？
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3 \/ f3 H( E! Z+ M% t- K, g豹子最好战绩就是打下印度和中国，不知道有没有人连这个地方都丢了还会继续打下去

原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表0 Y8 c4 J9 Q" s4 Y9 ]- j
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧，我等去拜读一下

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 22:44 发表
1 z+ w0 s4 P/ l. @$ t: x- F, \% FPzB的战报的确太长了，现在是119页，而且多数都是他对战斗的总结。能坚持打到44年的的确很少。! i$ e! X1 @& \
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值得注意的是PzB也在42年8月打下了卡拉奇，虽然解除了印度方面的威胁，但美军仍然在44年10月就打回了马来半岛， ...

原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表/ S! Z$ {/ W( G. B% V
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
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还有一个，他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右，这个也不知道具体的情况。
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% v/ i# Y' R; j2 W2 D战报太长了，找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43 - b+ G% C3 b0 k% {+ D- S; G4 z

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TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)   W3 \* W. b( i" ]: S" U$ O# c
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Allied Ships   [4 z! a; `* x, t; v/ @
MSW Cromer
0 p# ^7 ~1 N$ o3 K; i4 CMSW Goulburn 8 v2 p2 p$ K" u5 |) ?
  
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ASW attack at 37,69 7 m3 X; p3 V& N0 ]6 [
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Japanese Ships
2 A, Z" ]/ s, ]/ G3 w9 a7 `PC Ch 22 $ x, L+ C* K  k8 ?: y' w2 n0 y3 y" k
PC Ch 20   l  F$ U" \' }
PG Taiko Maru 1 h1 d" n% H1 _; B8 J
PG Shosei Maru
) I. v+ j5 ^( Y3 Q* g9 sPG Seiko Maru
6 o5 [! r, q' _% Y9 zPG Keiko Maru % K0 Z+ X1 A0 B" P) j
PG Aso Maru
4 `. N% ]% D+ |: B0 N5 q. L# VPG Tamo Maru #7 % _( m5 J2 f! |! M( y/ q  i
  
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" J. f9 ]8 y- B2 Z+ e: I# hDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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( C% b: n% v# n0 h* q; p6 [1 zBeaufighter Mk 21 x 3
0 B$ w& l. ^" gF-5A Lightning x 2 : Z6 W# i. ]! j4 q
B-25J Mitchell x 135
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Allied aircraft losses % r, i) O; @* |2 U. e+ G' I1 E: B
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged
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Japanese ground losses:
3 e% f3 m/ E8 y1 P% A' H' H163 casualties reported
) a. e: s- H, n( r1 l5 iGuns lost 1
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' Q* e! M7 B: ]6 k' I2 xAirbase hits 6
5 z8 p; C* l5 T9 X4 L1 j7 i" MAirbase supply hits 3 * H! G  J1 u3 q+ O" Q
Runway hits 126
4 x" B* L8 I4 C# I2 T& f( ]6 ]  0 _8 |9 {! ]7 q' d$ H: M& N
Aircraft Attacking: ; t3 ]/ k0 |# R& |5 B
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
0 }) e, }1 O, Q: i4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
# S6 h( X, M/ i! U% x3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ; J. ]! q: p# Q- K* I
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ) X# T, H. f9 ?( \! {: P
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet + m- ~# P6 N+ ^, n2 i7 m5 o2 `7 [
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 9 Z9 b7 W; Q, l8 z- J
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet $ C: |# P4 Q3 j) t4 z1 M$ m
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
- @) n# V; b$ Y$ K# y3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
! ]  Y) _5 }; Q; p; d/ j9 M10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 O: _! Z/ e% ]# P$ v: X13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
# r7 d+ g) S' ~6 Z: H+ q3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 h  Y. q+ K8 l, I7 [  S% e  ^
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet + N- T& x. x3 |( ^, U6 a8 A
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
# D( [6 \5 @" ?7 Y% {6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
; T' F3 M' h1 }. m4 P% L7 i2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
/ V( Z0 C, Q6 i, \" I" ?4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet & a1 E% u. N6 X8 S' K
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 8 [8 h) k2 K) {, ?) }6 n+ n
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet % z: h* W% r& P4 @1 l" O
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 9 j" W! q1 g* a
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
5 C+ k; x/ X- ~' m0 @2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( b: H! P6 P4 N" J
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53 & \; {) `5 {$ j7 X5 |  f# ]4 R
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Japanese aircraft
* h3 J; z" r2 I& [2 N; KD3A Val x 54 5 _* b/ R0 d0 `3 Q
A6M5c Zeke x 47
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- Q0 S( c# Z8 q) H3 |No Japanese losses 4 G; Y) X" Z" Z; ~
  
' p# w( t2 F5 D8 HRunway hits 30 0 a' ]5 U) ^. v+ P2 O6 }8 _- ~
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Aircraft Attacking:
3 [. T, A" H2 l5 j- ~27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
. Y) P  V3 v' v: }. O) E: j, ?" K27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet   B7 Y4 \) Q6 Y7 a
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 9 c/ F5 _# X7 o+ j/ z& U
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7 O& R) H# D; Y% vDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 % G; A. `' D- P6 \
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Japanese aircraft
% Y4 g/ R3 b* K; }) |. \+ eA6M5 Zeke x 84 ' h) F7 V( w: o: \% w
D3A Val x 98 , n& g) [( _% w8 S% T3 W
D4Y Judy x 95
$ s% d7 s& [( I- \3 _- vB5N Kate x 129 ( g3 b8 V; ^5 j$ c
B6N Jill x 47 % e+ l+ D% X1 r* u- _
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Allied aircraft
; ?) _- o5 X5 GF6F Hellcat x 147 ! U( H' d+ _# |, B5 C! P9 D
Corsair IV x 24 + A" ^0 O: j: o0 {: T
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Japanese aircraft losses 0 b5 u7 U6 U) V6 I# c4 n
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed
3 L4 `4 t$ v' ^# K+ }D3A Val: 73 destroyed * T5 L( V# M9 d  |
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed " W' i: E) j; a* s
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed
& i' w3 P) J, A3 E  l: q6 Q8 PB6N Jill: 40 destroyed ! p' o# Y9 E) j* B3 _
  
" G! ]' |" o8 ?( y8 d0 MAllied aircraft losses
" a# ~3 X# J3 H" B9 XF6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged
) |2 v8 f' e  nCorsair IV: 1 damaged ! y2 }! o' h% L; h8 I
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Allied Ships
  p3 S7 R0 H6 a) I% p, jCVL Cabot 7 {9 x; X9 z& e+ F2 i+ R
CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
. R% U' {# j2 _3 P+ ?! H/ h3 r& }CV Formidable
( T" t* V( r! M* Z5 W! ^6 @2 ?CVL Langley # _6 C* w' }& U2 \' e  F
CLAA San Diego 4 C- M+ O& D  O# T9 j. C' t5 M
  
# ^8 F, y" g! v. f4 }Aircraft Attacking:
# M* J& K8 o4 X3 N0 K8 `' W1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
# a! P" K& j  ?1 o& @3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet % o, W3 z8 V% s  ^) ^3 u
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 3 B" l6 m! k* z' ]! ~' h  ^! V
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 6 G' l4 Q4 F; r3 F
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 7 p9 I6 p3 ]0 q% b7 a1 U# X' u
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet % w. c: S. V. X' I
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet & l" O; e' m# N
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
8 Z( P* J6 x$ `, X1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
( o0 r/ _3 Q" X! Y6 z# X# I9 z3 B2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
4 h! J: T5 \4 ^% p$ S+ `2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet / M0 q( [: o: J9 O& O8 ], n4 i
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet   W- r* k0 K' ?
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
/ |+ [5 L* P6 x0 A+ }1 {; @4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet $ a0 u% {! u) q) o; m0 f4 M1 w
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet / E# F: t5 v6 |3 ]: d: i
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
1 _& h7 i' ?' s8 g9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
1 D- r0 n1 G: d# m3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ' ^# W- X' S2 S% G1 _7 q7 \
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet / @0 O9 q0 }$ u$ ~& G* l
6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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Japanese aircraft
5 p( I3 e/ p5 e; N! }. KA6M5 Zeke x 6
1 G  @( S7 T# i, u# O# v2 U6 cD4Y Judy x 27
( o4 B7 S" l/ M5 K& F9 }A6M3a Zero x 9
+ Q' b/ x. _" C8 x- hB5N Kate x 18
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Allied aircraft 9 U2 H0 }! Z: h4 b& z! P
F6F Hellcat x 120 6 b7 G9 N8 Z; \& O: i5 o  P
Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses
* X% ^' Y2 c( o& aA6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
! c; A( B8 }0 @) f! d& U1 zD4Y Judy: 20 destroyed + }/ `: u- b  s9 V
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
: P2 }* _4 h) q+ yB5N Kate: 17 destroyed
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F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged ( K, f6 X0 [0 d9 B# L+ n1 s& H
  
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CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1
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Aircraft Attacking:
/ z9 r4 u+ A/ v; [: P" K, {/ y1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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. g2 p# Y' C6 a2 _1 WJapanese aircraft # ^, l7 k( }$ a) F; C) `
A6M5 Zeke x 9
& \+ M( b; {4 a  _D3A Val x 9
% I/ r; m4 N% E$ j: {3 h& R6 \D4Y Judy x 27
, j  X: U9 ~+ V9 A4 @% vB5N Kate x 18 ' M- z0 s+ T- v- E) l
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Allied aircraft
! v) R3 B1 t% K0 Z" lF6F Hellcat x 115
& K0 n+ z- g: G/ h& j+ b4 J+ fCorsair IV x 24
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A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed 7 ~/ F" a& z6 F, _2 w+ s. I
D3A Val: 9 destroyed 5 v, o5 n' o& S! d2 a8 C* H/ X( j
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed
8 S  T( ~, ^% C6 [, I( c( fB5N Kate: 10 destroyed 6 u# _4 I9 u& g$ A; p) ?
  
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+ L' F2 i' m5 W7 `4 @8 `F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed $ b0 w/ y/ n" G% Y
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Allied Ships
7 M! H2 T, ?) J6 q8 H2 y$ H+ e$ ?CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire 0 ^1 j1 `% k! |% C& h
DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire $ K7 O6 }' G' R2 K# L* k5 W
  
* I  l  Z  _. ^9 vAircraft Attacking: 9 c' J; |3 p+ o6 E7 v6 m
1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 9 _) I9 Y+ E0 y0 u
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet * D% d0 Y. r7 Z+ @
5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet : n0 y& d$ G* v6 ^# U& O
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Japanese aircraft
6 I9 I; E3 r4 T4 Z3 e* I( I( JG4M1 Betty x 6 4 I8 I5 v/ p: x5 i, j& E" ]
  
/ P5 l& p) p8 L9 G' t  W7 sAllied aircraft
1 Q% }2 F3 k9 X$ T* O  TF6F Hellcat x 98
$ F, l6 m( M9 ^& V" }0 ~Corsair IV x 23 8 @: \' ]( K) h% X0 E' {
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Japanese aircraft losses 3 z  ]0 A4 p* f$ _
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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$ y' Z( u5 h$ N8 y" P* nAllied aircraft losses ( X( Y  p( y2 a
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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" p. a, s+ K% Z; [G4M1 Betty x 3
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, v6 M- ?7 t* N1 MAllied aircraft ( t  V# `9 @' r5 _6 v
F6F Hellcat x 98
. F& E7 [  _; |/ ^, f8 p4 UCorsair IV x 23 ! W8 [$ Q% \  E/ ^2 n
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Japanese aircraft losses
$ A; j+ ^. p$ T: EG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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! N3 L6 t4 u/ IDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 / n/ _1 D! n1 W# m" J: e- V/ x5 S
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A6M5 Zeke x 50 0 J! ]/ u' x2 M% v8 `+ C
D3A Val x 15 8 C; r' f. m; [' L# I: g
D4Y Judy x 15 + o/ A9 k+ b8 _8 z- [+ w
A6M3a Zero x 6 ; e+ j( |$ q  x% p
B5N Kate x 17
! T) @- H5 P1 i5 E8 B' TB6N Jill x 2 ( {/ a( V$ `( m) w9 ]* G( S# f
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Allied aircraft
8 _) }2 @+ h, x+ oF6F Hellcat x 98 9 a3 W. G! s/ B/ m/ h
Corsair IV x 23
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# t$ `8 w1 C- b. z1 {Japanese aircraft losses ; W) B$ `9 l3 F' O/ b8 `
A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
2 b3 k, n9 ]( q) |% U9 d8 sD3A Val: 12 destroyed
3 G. j! R* Y2 d. c* XD4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
: [5 r0 S  M, X0 SA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
' b5 s" ~. D; {' KB5N Kate: 16 destroyed / A0 }2 E' x+ Q3 @
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed $ z9 |- k3 R$ w1 d4 a. V6 r  b
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6 W& g. u5 W/ J5 F3 j+ ~: PF6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged
! C9 {- B' P$ B6 f" H# e$ YCorsair IV: 1 destroyed
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CV Formidable
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CVL Cabot
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Aircraft Attacking: 6 k" g$ x% j& J, j& G  ^
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  c2 ?& |) a" S+ w) H1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet + g2 V9 j& K8 Z* L1 z9 J& J+ b
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  

原帖由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 10:46 发表, t7 c3 d% w& `( k
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: @9 w3 K3 V) Z- [, y" l目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重+ v. C$ j2 ]: T5 _9 H7 Y1 K

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原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表7 x4 r- R6 R4 L& B0 k4 |/ G; K- u* z: S
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看，他的战报既详细又配图，sneer的无图，不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港，不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了，面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了

原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-8 09:38 发表
8 Q4 Y5 z. c$ n' j2 u% L$ `3 {盟军估计会跳过菲律宾和台湾，直接攻占冲绳，彻底卡死鬼子的喉咙，剩下 ...