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官網上 PZB 的對戰最慘烈.
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* X  Y1 ?; H, Q日本玩家進展最好的Sneer  & Raverdave 的對戰, 此公打下中國 + 印度 外加 珍珠港.' D# R7 O2 A2 d. v- N+ z

' ~6 ~+ Y+ m& V0 H8 R[ 本帖最后由 wildcat 于 2006-12-6 17:45 编辑 ]
原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表" a9 A: m" O2 L  N" ~
楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧,我等去拜读一下
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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=988842 (sneer vs Raver)
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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=679803 (PzB vs wobbly)
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: V* z9 l! P* u) Bhttp://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=997347 (Andy vs PzB)
原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表
, @# P" K' w* u/ @/ x- APzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。9 ]4 {/ m  V6 D' z  w
他的KB似乎损失很重,而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
% w: O: s2 c- m还有一个,他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右,这个也不知道具体的情况。+ z( w3 D$ r& _9 @# P# b9 B
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战报太长了,找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...
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目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重- M/ q! W  x( _& V% h0 Y# ]1 i

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43
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TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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  r1 w* [  c' sAllied Ships
0 i. U/ a- T/ J- J/ q  KMSW Cromer
" A# M' |' X: |$ w2 Y+ rMSW Goulburn
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ASW attack at 37,69 " u# ~" Z' t/ j  O9 q8 p
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Japanese Ships
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PC Ch 20 $ Z  _! b2 u- P, T* a
PG Taiko Maru
- O2 m" a  r5 a/ `; C. GPG Shosei Maru
+ }: j3 Z$ A$ ~8 m5 m5 c! YPG Seiko Maru
$ P/ |5 T5 w3 A: fPG Keiko Maru ' \* O  G& ~/ T
PG Aso Maru
9 X3 f$ I2 _; [1 U( zPG Tamo Maru #7 ( B1 G" v' F5 J0 f
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Allied Ships
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. t* @' K$ U: U3 x; N( hDay Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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# I% d  i/ h  {. p' g% H5 @Allied aircraft   P' R7 k8 F! q" T" _. e
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 6 ?0 @( |# P  R( {* J' T
F-5A Lightning x 2
& c6 w- |) G. F8 @* B) k* r2 ^3 C. B" UB-25J Mitchell x 135
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0 ^5 @3 s0 T6 hAllied aircraft losses ' k) m2 H* u; \' {; A
B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged   M- ~; k( ]/ O7 G  c% P
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Japanese ground losses: ( Z- z" a6 f0 B, ?* f1 J
163 casualties reported
$ c* c% ]% `2 v9 O9 O# G# K6 |- VGuns lost 1 4 ]% B: A' J: G  ?
  
: a3 T4 f; v+ h6 }Airbase hits 6 ) H( j3 I4 w  \0 U. q
Airbase supply hits 3 ' B1 Y+ u! `6 W- x9 ~
Runway hits 126 6 A% R0 b* b; S
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Aircraft Attacking:
2 A1 D0 u8 a) z% }+ f# F- g6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet " ~6 s/ H6 ^  j, F( o2 a  ?
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
7 E) F( l2 J: c2 x) j/ o6 U3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 n8 u& T  Y+ j' Z7 t, q) B1 r
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet & y, C" h/ {' n# T( s
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
* D  W' g  `: N7 x$ V# _24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 v8 `$ v' t8 @" H9 Q5 C4 \8 @13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
" _* a. j5 m/ L, {8 @# e7 Y4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet % Q  @+ X& v' t2 c. A, y: c9 \
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 ?6 G, e# n8 y2 ^3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
" s0 a; P# a6 Y' |0 `% a2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 0 k8 H* R. {9 X0 }& g' m! }- \3 e
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
1 w0 c1 I( N+ h% o' g6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet . N9 {% O6 H, ^% T$ B2 x; _* c1 e
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 O; ~2 [2 Z8 v% ~
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 g4 }9 @. n- f$ t' |/ B
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 s* _0 O! O* ~9 G, x* \4 g
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
7 k  M: S* j. Y/ _3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
! v6 J0 Q" c5 m4 _- H1 @9 Q3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 s$ m0 u# N: \2 e1 u6 r
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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Japanese aircraft ) `0 E0 l6 j" `" a$ i
D3A Val x 54 5 U; [% m* a' P  j) \  e- g
A6M5c Zeke x 47   L" o: b( e  F+ z. g& }
  
  }$ m4 _. B6 V* PNo Japanese losses
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3 f& @0 V7 l% S6 cRunway hits 30 $ q5 S! C  A5 }# A4 t/ O+ a
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Aircraft Attacking:
  b4 l/ v+ z. B- h: _* S27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 J. _/ j: a3 v! @1 u
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet ) u) j' Y# J( Q- {* ?
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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$ W/ Y7 K4 B0 e7 H6 }% cDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 : k5 R0 X0 d. u
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Japanese aircraft
- V6 m# t) r/ Q2 @( x/ F2 B; iA6M5 Zeke x 84 & m5 j& H) x' a6 u; S+ x* S
D3A Val x 98
7 s5 m  X' U3 L& {4 N: QD4Y Judy x 95
7 }/ a$ J6 e8 j! jB5N Kate x 129
0 ]# |  Z3 x+ [4 `1 X) c) DB6N Jill x 47 2 Y7 }0 u; \: i( t- }! u
  
- J, Q+ a7 ?, Q% y' U, iAllied aircraft
+ r" d7 h8 B( gF6F Hellcat x 147 # a% a/ r; V) k! _0 O0 S2 q
Corsair IV x 24 . i* l) b1 z5 ^
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Japanese aircraft losses - u7 S3 E% B9 j* z
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed 4 k7 G7 m2 G3 D' E! u- n- k9 R( x- |
D3A Val: 73 destroyed ! e* A$ H* \' C4 ^8 i
D4Y Judy: 72 destroyed
- M2 O  W6 N& a  H/ N7 ?B5N Kate: 106 destroyed
2 v' d$ F7 b4 j/ r- GB6N Jill: 40 destroyed
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( n1 p# h8 O$ d2 bAllied aircraft losses % T. c. O' x* M
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged 8 h$ Z. O* p5 Q+ A1 Q% K- H3 I
Corsair IV: 1 damaged
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& {" _/ _) S/ R, T, j/ k& J- QCVL Cabot . X. x. h' r1 @
CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1
3 a7 N+ Y+ i' o: CCV Formidable
3 b3 k0 I  e( ?. Z7 V/ F4 c' |) p# aCVL Langley - u! l3 O. b! W4 h! s3 A
CLAA San Diego ) p! _0 w( D1 w; R, `1 n1 o6 c0 K
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Aircraft Attacking: " ]/ T. K8 [) T( |' O* K
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
; @8 }8 e* C+ ~3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet ' K8 `+ T# m; N7 e
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 9 C. A9 }- i; j& B/ n6 v, c
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 8 c8 F. J5 t. \9 o3 f9 s, f: N+ \
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet $ t1 @! m, g* f0 S9 P: R2 K
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 N6 a( a8 q% z/ `5 R3 Y0 z1 D3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  i2 M$ H$ n4 D4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet , D! c  h8 ~- w& C$ S7 T
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 L. E' P$ m1 d: a  [! F2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 5 z' g( ~' d  N- i( K" C' w
2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  F2 H+ a, c( b; U' a& O, c3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet : [8 u( p3 \1 U: h
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet . y- J& z* h' Z/ a7 D" ~. e
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
" ^9 @% U/ {" x7 `$ X" ?5 r" b4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 0 V( h: e) s" H! t6 ]
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 0 v  D% |2 A, F. i& w' y
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet - [- r) ?9 q1 m( E4 h
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet ) S5 M0 |9 y2 V1 j8 `
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
/ a5 I7 ]: d6 N! M  F6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 2 x  A# ~  z. c3 c
  
8 W- J# X7 B9 Q6 |5 M% K2 rJapanese aircraft
  T6 P! D) Q" TA6M5 Zeke x 6 # Z5 [1 O. p, {& W# K( N
D4Y Judy x 27
# T+ P, J- @0 HA6M3a Zero x 9 # e+ B' r- W5 q( w- f4 R
B5N Kate x 18
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" ^+ p  B! h( w5 R' ?3 dAllied aircraft
3 X. K1 F7 t7 P+ c; R6 kF6F Hellcat x 120
7 J% N8 h: g+ g" I1 r0 BCorsair IV x 24
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2 O3 M# S' C2 ?) u( i! iJapanese aircraft losses
2 [6 m9 U  t& h/ n" {% |3 NA6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
7 A6 o! B8 ]1 u1 @- `D4Y Judy: 20 destroyed : y3 h, Z& d+ B( Y0 m
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed ( Z( c7 J( ]6 n' O  k
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses - d9 T4 w; R( s) Z
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged 2 G2 t2 k0 t& N  Y( w% Y1 f) S
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Allied Ships + g) H6 ~# ?. C, [# e
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1
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Aircraft Attacking: ( X$ P( i3 A+ F- ^" i" N4 K: c
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet . O9 g& `8 K2 r
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( k7 O3 M# k7 {Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 - U( a/ G: F' E
  
2 @# D( T( O4 o( r, C: @Japanese aircraft # \3 L6 \1 B+ @, c2 G
A6M5 Zeke x 9 ' f8 q! W  v9 t) {, C
D3A Val x 9
) {* R7 k3 }" O" FD4Y Judy x 27 7 D; c6 p" D8 X- A
B5N Kate x 18
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Allied aircraft ! Z# ^% N1 D. b4 U. t) e4 S7 j
F6F Hellcat x 115 ( O2 z# K! I9 G: ^1 ~2 N
Corsair IV x 24 ( @; l) ?5 Y6 D
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Japanese aircraft losses - D- z7 a" }* l# f
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
4 Y) i/ G6 q5 l- j/ T; t( ^D3A Val: 9 destroyed * {+ b5 ~  n5 F$ Q& x: C
D4Y Judy: 21 destroyed . H4 l" I( C& ?2 \+ L
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses 5 B5 n/ U4 S5 K- B
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed . v/ i; a# d; S' S
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Allied Ships 4 P) ^& q7 j7 t: h) G2 k! ?; m
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
% J! b* z* t3 U" RDD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
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Aircraft Attacking:
  ^3 y* E5 }* S" j1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
; }$ X' n( g/ W3 h, ?' ]8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
: c1 W3 W# U, R7 w# z( w# S+ [5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 3 s1 s& z; F2 n9 Y" j3 c
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Japanese aircraft : E% _; h. `! `. Q" p; ^8 D1 X' Z
G4M1 Betty x 6 3 o$ ^! `6 }/ k3 [
  
: Y2 Y7 B/ O2 Q$ WAllied aircraft : H. j8 N) Z5 C- V: K5 B* l" ]0 t* u
F6F Hellcat x 98
7 s2 G2 J: T4 Z" YCorsair IV x 23
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Japanese aircraft losses
7 H; C% r9 C' }G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses - x  i% Q( q% y6 H8 t: K( g
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged . }& n1 ~8 x% [8 L' i% [
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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% e6 F7 F1 S2 d8 qJapanese aircraft
0 H5 q& o7 u- Z( V8 t- D  r1 [) h9 \# ?( nG4M1 Betty x 3
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  I3 h0 ~6 K. T" XF6F Hellcat x 98 # ~5 ~- c& Z; y- l: o
Corsair IV x 23
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. p7 _( E  N$ o/ n! A8 U0 n  IJapanese aircraft losses / L* H6 j9 g; |  z  R9 O+ Y
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 * V* b3 l0 Y% a! l
  
1 `" ?2 D) x' A- UJapanese aircraft " N9 x* r( C! A6 q7 S" x# {2 _0 U
A6M5 Zeke x 50 * s" Q3 T& _9 x9 R9 F3 T+ N
D3A Val x 15
- c2 A' y  j# F( h: L% c4 Y+ R% dD4Y Judy x 15 / E! L, G# i4 @9 Q3 S! E. a1 T
A6M3a Zero x 6
) @1 n/ A6 T+ m4 \* q% X* LB5N Kate x 17 & U8 ~8 O/ ~8 f0 _# V, X7 a, o4 u
B6N Jill x 2
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Allied aircraft + \) b& b# ^& [0 F3 w1 e0 e
F6F Hellcat x 98 : J. j% G9 [3 L4 e! E9 _
Corsair IV x 23
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Japanese aircraft losses
, T# e! @5 A: s8 g* w. VA6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
5 n* P" m0 T1 p, y" ]8 R  MD3A Val: 12 destroyed
1 l6 q. z3 Q! l7 g, j- mD4Y Judy: 9 destroyed
2 r, H% w) w; f5 pA6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
) h% d0 w( M1 k: K8 n* E: kB5N Kate: 16 destroyed
7 J. D0 Z/ \* e- h) DB6N Jill: 2 destroyed 9 L7 M/ @5 Y% c, \4 n! b# Q9 G
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Allied aircraft losses 3 b* J( e, {+ M; n/ K$ t
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged - J8 j6 P3 u& n$ l
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed * O$ _% w" |% ?1 m  T: f8 k% {
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- C, T( B/ H* ]- U* L  ZCV Formidable
, _( J. O9 j" G  g$ Z: i% qCV Illustrious ( c7 ?- M* [0 v
CVL Cabot 5 f2 s$ A' a$ V# E( h, N( L7 d
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Aircraft Attacking: 9 [4 p' i  \. T5 v/ x6 M
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
7 H  l/ T2 \: I- I. I1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
5 x# p% z) _6 p5 ?# F0 J9 N1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  
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[ 本帖最后由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 11:07 编辑 ]
原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表, Z; [7 C7 a, J
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看,他的战报既详细又配图,sneer的无图,不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港,不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了
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, 看太多戰報,  可能記錯了. 應該是Sneer 另一個戰報吧. 原諒我
原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表6 E8 G# c6 G) G$ M
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2 s3 ?! Z0 p1 x8 }& ]7 N这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了,面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了
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80+ exp 的 Zero 52 型 vs 60+ exp F6F 打成這樣. 真像獵火雞
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