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官網上 PZB 的對戰最慘烈.( j& s6 ^3 R8 U2 ]9 B8 m
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日本玩家進展最好的Sneer  & Raverdave 的對戰, 此公打下中國 + 印度 外加 珍珠港.
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[ 本帖最后由 wildcat 于 2006-12-6 17:45 编辑 ]
原帖由 浆糊 于 2006-12-6 17:37 发表
. r0 s$ D) @  l. ]8 @* u& u楼上的推荐几个精彩战报的链接吧,我等去拜读一下
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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=988842 (sneer vs Raver)
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( b4 S0 B" _  f8 U- d! P3 jhttp://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=679803 (PzB vs wobbly)
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- x  W) _" v3 d7 e/ u0 ]. a: E) hhttp://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=997347 (Andy vs PzB)
原帖由 逍遥 于 2006-12-6 19:14 发表6 Y: T- [6 ]: N8 Y1 o3 w6 D& k5 e
PzB的战报里面有几个很奇怪的地方。
8 |& R3 p3 i3 x他的KB似乎损失很重,而美军的航母好像没有受到太大的杀伤。
! A' e. t1 I8 x6 i, U7 L- z) r" d还有一个,他提到美军的BB只剩了10艘左右,这个也不知道具体的情况。0 W3 w7 C" o* Y) |
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战报太长了,找不到战斗的详细情况。 ...
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- Z% t: e2 @' x! g目前 PzB 跟  Sneer 都遇到相同的問題. 就是 43 年後 A2A 不管日方經驗&機數佔優勢,在面對 F6F + F4U 的 CAP 下, 損失非常慘重/ }# [- K  B$ [' _

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/26/43
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4 u; o1 B8 t% @/ M/ x) F5 ?TF 1162 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)
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/ [# Q) N7 R4 G1 {& C3 H, }9 tMSW Cromer , R1 @: t! \! K: P
MSW Goulburn
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" O+ ]- Y# C+ T, p/ z& IASW attack at 37,69 2 J" v/ t. c- u, {* `/ y
  
1 e$ d5 D) v# I% h7 s2 D$ QJapanese Ships 3 w; s0 N5 M  \! T& j: J. b* ]3 ~
PC Ch 22
5 O5 a/ H9 H! T$ K/ l8 s' BPC Ch 20
& F. M9 A$ X( ~PG Taiko Maru 9 C( ]' D8 q3 A6 e
PG Shosei Maru
3 i  K# R4 S% w8 _/ T% SPG Seiko Maru
3 U8 \1 |6 A% t* K8 b0 EPG Keiko Maru / z/ O% [/ z2 U
PG Aso Maru ; e3 Y: y. ^1 L; Q; S: A
PG Tamo Maru #7 2 J( y) L# Q9 I4 |
  
3 i. Q  k- Z! l  |Allied Ships # ]3 F% \' ?3 u7 M2 x8 s% ~8 t1 E
SS O23 5 I% @2 P& K$ e/ m2 r3 k4 ?  A# G
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
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6 {5 N" l# o7 j; ZAllied aircraft % e( N' F3 _6 e; m, F, C
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3 & u+ S) r, {2 o$ Z9 I
F-5A Lightning x 2
4 G9 Y8 t! g5 }9 e- j( O$ VB-25J Mitchell x 135 . b0 P1 W/ y, ~( B( v) B
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! B+ H% c8 r3 }& V( d: kAllied aircraft losses
' k0 i. k( d; `B-25J Mitchell: 9 damaged
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Japanese ground losses:
/ ^3 h" ^! g2 p1 ^# {: s163 casualties reported
7 g$ J. w/ }% ~5 e; xGuns lost 1   i8 A: R0 {3 p) q2 j
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Airbase hits 6 3 M8 C9 _! E9 \
Airbase supply hits 3
9 j/ m& v& ~/ K" {7 Q/ TRunway hits 126 # H! l  X/ O  n( z9 I! Y0 x
  
0 N& m  g0 L+ r; cAircraft Attacking:
/ u% w+ W/ S) |+ b* l2 X# t6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
/ {" S$ A/ z! A" l3 Q. S4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 _! V; }1 a) R' ^3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
8 u) N' A! }$ Q( a& E3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( ^: L, C; p. y" @$ D& j. m) S1 S& b
16 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ) O* |4 R2 I1 d) I* Y8 ~. H
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 8 A$ C) y- P& q/ {, {
13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
, u+ \* ?. w6 X+ E% a4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
2 e  Y$ E7 j- ^, y0 _8 k3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 5 ^/ `" Y+ T9 A! H- X& {5 c* U
10 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
9 E, n% r% E6 [- M13 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ' B6 C1 Z: g/ S4 g4 z, p
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
. ]( y  ^3 x' w) k2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
; u$ T: d. d; r, m0 k  d3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ; u) i3 Y$ K2 D) i
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ( ]) R. Q; q' Q
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet + _$ F  H) B4 ^1 R5 \
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
8 }( j) U) x3 d) b5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
* K  \+ c) ^. c! T. N! l# Y' N9 ?3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
8 x4 y+ g) A# g7 F. E  P7 a4 ^0 @3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
& l2 E% b8 w: m9 q3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet ; A6 k( ?) k  d
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53
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Japanese aircraft
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A6M5c Zeke x 47 $ ?0 C, n8 }" W7 p' U8 h& R4 h
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No Japanese losses
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4 Y1 Y1 t  h; }0 _Runway hits 30 , x: @5 s4 L4 v5 ^( C! a! x$ t, I
  
3 V, h/ ?# W4 l! Z: Y9 sAircraft Attacking:
: H* u% G$ T' {27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 5 ?. X& W! m# i/ ^7 H4 A; A% i. L
27 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet " e/ G0 ]& ?, Q! y) U" T9 H' a
47 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79
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9 S. N, \0 k1 B( yJapanese aircraft * w0 j9 _) U; `
A6M5 Zeke x 84
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D4Y Judy x 95
; y5 A5 ?' W0 e) @B5N Kate x 129 + l! R5 t# W& o" g3 S3 L
B6N Jill x 47
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F6F Hellcat x 147 % y! a4 s' q2 O7 \! Y7 ?0 N
Corsair IV x 24
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4 D/ V# Z  l( Q+ o/ R  OJapanese aircraft losses 6 t; o9 T  K2 j8 [/ E; N
A6M5 Zeke: 84 destroyed 2 ]/ {/ w: a" p
D3A Val: 73 destroyed
6 h( |8 O+ C* g8 gD4Y Judy: 72 destroyed " D, G6 ?8 ], B; `% e% G- t" H: @
B5N Kate: 106 destroyed
& b& H7 A* ~+ ~$ }: S5 C! lB6N Jill: 40 destroyed - z" C5 j" j$ E% P
  
9 [4 I, L) _8 E, A) I6 MAllied aircraft losses . ^6 Q, Z; j/ k3 l$ N- E- D$ k5 R3 D
F6F Hellcat: 27 destroyed, 10 damaged ) Q: w& S! M1 L% C
Corsair IV: 1 damaged 1 k1 q  m) J# `4 d$ n/ r* S% _$ k1 v0 i
  
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CVL Cabot
# N9 o& q" s# MCV Illustrious, Bomb hits 1 6 z* ^9 k/ P. j. t  y
CV Formidable ) D; c* Q+ ^, I. n& s  M
CVL Langley # \; _8 L6 a9 m
CLAA San Diego 2 T5 R# h6 k  b0 j: [: s8 e
  
0 x$ ?  U7 c: t4 XAircraft Attacking:
& A/ J* d( b/ x+ p; f1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
6 m+ F+ m5 b: R5 N, h* A0 r3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 9 i/ X6 V! Y* ]1 X$ G- H8 x: B5 D( A
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet ! d, e' |- F/ b/ N. I, e$ j
3 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 7 x- L( U! U! [, n) s$ M+ O8 w) R
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 9 x) L3 ?0 H1 U9 m
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 S( |8 V" d$ g# E* s' n4 X+ E3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 0 X1 M( J1 c4 A6 n* w
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
: T2 d- G$ u4 S! V  `: G1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
( i7 h3 i, w  t& @! [2 S8 N4 ]' j# z2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
4 C7 G, D& r* {  t6 n2 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 A/ L3 G, z$ ?; v3 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
5 z' ~1 g- T+ z. v1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
5 f2 `: D% ^6 k* w, E+ s4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
. ~" u/ s+ ^* g9 A  ~4 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet 2 ~& n9 T) v! g; D: [  A- v5 c
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet # w8 p8 U8 g) Z9 Q! F8 u/ j
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet . k: H$ F0 `: c% R
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet : O) R; _4 N# i+ ?4 z7 `
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
: d# Y& s" d, u; V9 Y* `6 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 0 I; h1 W9 {, s' i/ ^
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# D: L& \9 p4 y1 pDay Air attack on TF at 14,79 ; a! m  W' j8 Y
  
$ [$ |3 S) N0 W/ r# t4 wJapanese aircraft + L2 F( K3 j, J
A6M5 Zeke x 6 1 O" h) D; S3 J
D4Y Judy x 27
! t2 V4 O( X+ w& ]6 |7 x4 QA6M3a Zero x 9 8 `2 |& V0 i1 G$ R4 k: V
B5N Kate x 18
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  Z) l) ~' ], O0 G. FAllied aircraft : E  p/ o% q! e2 I+ t
F6F Hellcat x 120 8 ~! v3 K' b; Z6 z' Z
Corsair IV x 24
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Japanese aircraft losses
2 B5 C* S3 l$ c& c# n9 @A6M5 Zeke: 5 destroyed
7 Z# A3 A$ A4 B+ }% ?, OD4Y Judy: 20 destroyed
! D) V; _' \& @% k# w& H( k; mA6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed
5 X; X1 J  v% _+ ZB5N Kate: 17 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses % a& K/ `" o( F* g" t8 `
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged . M* Z% B% L( A2 J- {8 \
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Allied Ships 3 m/ e5 f! N& @4 T, t5 k( V7 `& H
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 1
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Aircraft Attacking: # O3 l% [4 B! M: `( w
1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 $ ?0 o: Q+ M! }& b2 _
  
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8 r5 G- B. \/ L0 f0 y8 uA6M5 Zeke x 9
4 @$ ]# k# D& [) H  t( `D3A Val x 9
: l0 N# ^; ]. z- f4 z: ]7 wD4Y Judy x 27   t; r# X9 e- x$ z: v, u5 Y0 t* y
B5N Kate x 18 5 @& y! I; k: ]) R% S' K
  
# I8 B+ \& f2 i+ m* qAllied aircraft ; B) `: a  S  r. E' i  p8 ]) H
F6F Hellcat x 115
1 m0 O% o. |2 d2 a+ Y, f3 W5 ]Corsair IV x 24 + J8 o8 Q0 V% Q  K0 U7 O9 N( T
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Japanese aircraft losses
. Y, p3 }8 W, m7 [6 PA6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed 9 t# v1 z$ A3 k  Q
D3A Val: 9 destroyed
6 m" k# l8 @- ]2 ~  x# OD4Y Judy: 21 destroyed ; \: r& F/ X) e2 v6 k+ H& _
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed
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2 W: @' o; D8 ^) u/ p) u% zAllied aircraft losses
1 @  ^* x/ h  T8 c( l& t5 z' LF6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed . ^! N; ~6 g# L1 a: B6 H
  
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CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
9 B6 c) M2 A2 t( t) D3 L3 e% ]DD Sampson, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
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Aircraft Attacking:
  l- N) j8 E2 ?8 X7 h! I1 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 2 u# F. M& Q& J. r4 l3 o+ t- |
8 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet
* C  o8 }" \2 ~: H; |- H5 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet # v, H+ D6 Y" D
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' \4 o1 ?2 E# c- x# [  _8 G! X/ eDay Air attack on TF at 14,79
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4 l; i5 S1 ]4 VG4M1 Betty x 6 9 p9 f9 C# h7 o- X- O
  
9 D0 S$ J3 j6 `0 M6 w5 Z1 QAllied aircraft 0 O0 R$ {1 \4 F5 C# Q: [9 p; Z
F6F Hellcat x 98   x8 H1 V7 T0 ?- t: }
Corsair IV x 23 ; @1 m) f5 p- G) X' s; y
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Japanese aircraft losses
" u& f: x* R$ _, `. u  uG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed % J4 a' q) a! @9 u
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Allied aircraft losses
  A5 i7 E, I2 n( Z7 d- }  sF6F Hellcat: 1 damaged 9 Z& t1 X; F0 L0 Z- e, ?! D
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 # @4 a( a1 m6 ?! E5 @/ U7 o
  
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G4M1 Betty x 3 ! {% S9 G6 p5 _4 f
  
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F6F Hellcat x 98 0 }& G7 s- ~6 P# B$ f( _' r5 v
Corsair IV x 23 9 B# \9 H9 ?; P4 P
  
; f3 z0 r9 a! ^$ Y" ^" CJapanese aircraft losses
  n$ X2 N" w2 K- z9 M0 P: J9 vG4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
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1 ^! H! ?3 N7 C" V* G) {$ J1 d8 D! [Day Air attack on TF at 14,79 0 Q- e; _! o8 T" z, J- r9 M7 Y
  
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A6M5 Zeke x 50 ) C/ `; J7 p, o: C* }" o$ z! B, K
D3A Val x 15 - k1 Y. P: {: W- _$ v
D4Y Judy x 15
* R6 B. _, L  A" h2 OA6M3a Zero x 6 7 y1 t+ |6 t7 _# G
B5N Kate x 17 * A* H8 G, o: e5 Z; ]
B6N Jill x 2 : r$ c$ V( a3 u
  
9 L' d8 g6 w1 D5 J( X* RAllied aircraft   r( J$ z7 D& P4 `1 U
F6F Hellcat x 98 / t3 X+ }% E* k8 P7 I& k! s, |# R  K
Corsair IV x 23 4 g1 u0 r+ E( e
  
* B. @) ?9 b9 R0 v; S# r; A! V7 r3 bJapanese aircraft losses
" f( r8 e! J: \+ b4 r2 g  b8 ?/ `A6M5 Zeke: 50 destroyed
. F: Z6 p) h, c( @* g' ^! z; {. N! xD3A Val: 12 destroyed
/ C: W& c" Q; g2 a' CD4Y Judy: 9 destroyed 0 n4 |0 W7 A; ]9 o6 d: ~: Q
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed
; q$ X# b$ c7 g6 U* v* t! ]B5N Kate: 16 destroyed 6 ~& o5 B9 I& N; P9 I) E
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed
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Allied aircraft losses * Z0 q' _6 g6 c+ t) P9 v; d
F6F Hellcat: 15 destroyed, 9 damaged 8 u% ?) Y, Z! D0 z! v
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
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Allied Ships   p' f" u1 G7 p8 C' Z
CV Formidable ; A8 a+ h. Y) }
CV Illustrious ; H* n4 ]5 J: }. _4 X, H
CVL Cabot
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Aircraft Attacking: 4 s. i: q# I. h  B- [" W; I
2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
' m$ z' A% Q+ {! Z! B) S1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
7 N! q" p, R# ^9 V. |2 [1 x B5N Kate bombing at 14000 feet  
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2 J( B1 H# P' l# F[ 本帖最后由 wildcat 于 2006-12-7 11:07 编辑 ]
原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-6 18:23 发表, \. n, o: u& z% X% k# Z
PzB vs wobbly的我一直有看,他的战报既详细又配图,sneer的无图,不知道哪个位置说打下印度、中国和珍珠港,不过现在盟军已反攻到印度的詹谢谱儿了
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' m( p1 p9 W! d* ?* b , 看太多戰報,  可能記錯了. 應該是Sneer 另一個戰報吧. 原諒我
原帖由 飞龙 于 2006-12-7 11:10 发表
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这个例子里日方护航机数量太少了,面对接近200架F6F能突防就不错了
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80+ exp 的 Zero 52 型 vs 60+ exp F6F 打成這樣. 真像獵火雞
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