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) G" B. X) f; `2 Z仰光机场出动100架B-17袭击金兰湾日军锚地, 龙骧号受创1 ?$ Z- H: f$ }; U
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Day Air attack on Camranh Bay , at 34,467 z$ _+ i; a2 X, y+ b/ i

6 T6 ^  g9 y( lJapanese aircraft
/ b9 A) ^8 T- G/ @/ P3 VA5M4 Claude x 6
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Allied aircraft
# D4 T/ z5 Z- x: VB-17C Fortress x 8
3 m( \5 W4 X9 i3 dB-17E Fortress x 91: u- b) `/ g* s  I" o
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Japanese aircraft losses& g. j! B6 k' C
A5M4 Claude: 1 destroyed2 W& N4 F- }9 c" e; D
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Allied aircraft losses: r& _2 t, n3 _" ?( A% k! Q4 q! e
B-17C Fortress: 1 damaged
6 Z( p$ K6 x: u7 y( q! D% XB-17E Fortress: 17 damaged5 d7 C! `+ a7 A' a8 G. }. M# `

* A" q" l: U* w4 d. A) aJapanese Ships
4 i1 ^8 N& z7 ]% S" g& iCVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 3,  on fire/ a8 e2 s: K2 d
BB Haruna, Bomb hits 4,  on fire
5 M) @! _/ ?( @3 s/ E$ P- U% B) aAK Taiko Maru #3, Bomb hits 1" [+ {! s+ S# a3 B0 q
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1
+ }; \( ~8 J& M, ?6 I0 BBB Kirishima, Bomb hits 23 S. d5 o9 Y+ h$ w9 n& L, P
BB Ise, Bomb hits 3,  on fire. C; l5 a0 U& p# ~* R7 x
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1
7 R2 \8 B2 S4 |% e% t4 q, u6 g0 t7 W7 ZCL Oi, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
7 S2 o0 O! a. x% W% K0 n/ iCVE Hosho, Bomb hits 11 l* d' l  H- i. s& a2 v! d( |0 ]! k
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Japanese ground losses:& |. V# K- o! Z" u  g
40 casualties reported
# K: ]1 ~! F/ n: z: x+ f; mGuns lost 2
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Port hits 2
" _7 I8 j( V3 p/ o% q7 C! _3 }Port fuel hits 3
" k6 o- l3 V: F% @Port supply hits 24 [6 r) m$ f' Q% N. x: c, s5 \
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荷兰空军经过1个月的战斗,投弹技术已经比较熟练
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Day Air attack on TF, near Menado at 39,670 q4 `/ ?- D4 A
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Allied aircraft2 M6 E) X% c4 G
Martin 139 x 159 X3 f- g( v, s4 a4 l  q) \# f

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No Allied losses
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" C+ Y/ s7 E% n6 T- LJapanese Ships. L& [  N, }! }: e" O6 s: c
AP Shirogane Maru+ Z8 F. z! n+ }1 Q8 w
AP Nihonkai Maru  n  c% Z: g5 X& S2 o/ W. T
AP Minowa Maru, Bomb hits 1/ \- Y$ u* _+ }
AP Shinko Maru, Bomb hits 1,  on fire0 l. i+ D4 o0 h
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Japanese ground losses:
( m- p* H% B& ^7 q' B2 f0 q44 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Menado at 39,67
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Martin 139 x 21
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No Allied losses
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4 r& U5 ?8 ^) t$ {  QAP Shinko Maru, Bomb hits 6,  on fire,  heavy damage" a9 r! f: i0 T9 u  P6 O
AP Shirogane Maru, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
5 u* o' `( M, J# b8 ?AP Nihonkai Maru, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
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Japanese ground losses:
! r) U0 h. {% \+ e! G187 casualties reported
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目前南宁附近局势混乱,已经超出了我对陆战的认识,请各位指点7 q5 W  l4 n3 d3 A4 ]. {* W, F; i

/ \. a/ L( h; R9 G局势:国军5个军与19旅团和海军陆战队在北海对峙,3个军和第21师团在南宁对峙,由于南宁日军的存在,北海5个军无法撤回南宁。
2 @- `- a2 n: u" n+ u另有9个军与日军在广州北对峙。广州北至南宁间的铁路为国军所控制。) v# D- B% s  @/ x" {6 Q

  Q/ Q3 p/ V- U3 e5 Y昨日国军3个军从云南走出,原以为截断了在南宁的日第21师团退路,但该师团仍能向东走到南宁右侧国军控制的一格(见图),切断了南宁至广州北的生命线,超出了我对陆战的认识,请问:
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# h# V" I% m3 i  t1、21师团目前是否被包围?是否可以行动? 个人认为21师团目前可以向任何方向机动,极大的威胁着南宁北海一线国军11个军的安危  O: M" o+ [/ B( O8 q* I

9 a7 K2 D9 L% {7 y$ L2 X2、目前北海国军是否可以撤回南宁?9 _' }: O3 b. x# l" \! {
21师团在南宁与国军对峙期间北海部队可以下达运动指令,但实际无法向任何一个方向运动,行走路程始终显示为0英里。
2 t! v& U. X5 d$ g% g目前北海部队仍然可以下达运动指令,但是不清楚是否能撤回南宁。9 L5 `; g: E0 e) E6 k) G

- s6 ]/ `. c- {! P* G# I5 t* `; \3、国军在北海、南宁间的11个军是否被包围?2 [! v9 b% F, w/ O0 m/ L  P; h
个人认为由于21师团实际切断了广州北至南宁的铁路,实际11个军已经被包围 。但是目前三处国军都能下达行动命令,不清楚是否能运动。
4 n6 ~2 t( g5 J# r$ i* P" L4、如果这11个军被包围,应该如何解围?4 H4 ]% W6 N' {
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目前我下达的命令是南宁以西的3个军向东进入南宁西北那个日军控制的格,然后进入南宁,等待北海国军撤出后,以一部坚守南宁,以相当兵力恢复广州北至南宁间交通线。6 m$ I) N# w. G3 B$ B2 ^& f
如果目前实际已被包围,这11个军的国军是否能运动的起来?是否需要广州北国军过河增援?8 @3 Y# O! B  j& v& E3 m6 I

6 \, ~" E! Z7 L! S3 m3 r9 s+ J大家对目前战局有何看法?求教哇
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原帖由 飞龙 于 2007-1-20 16:03 发表: ^, f, W: K) @7 _% X
见鬼,你自己不是说过可以进入任何只有己方控制的格子嘛,现在北海国军当然可以退入南宁,因为21师团已经离开,而在之前估计你没有炮击21师团,才使得他能够离开北海往东走了一格。另外由于之前21师团也在南宁, ...
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我的疑问其实只有一个,就是为什么21师团能够从南宁双方相持的那格进入南宁东南我控制的那格,照理说应该是没有行军路线的
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9 S, d' t9 Q/ j0 X: s! H[ 本帖最后由 benbengod 于 2007-1-20 21:26 编辑 ]
原帖由 冷情人 于 2007-1-20 21:34 发表2 T; [/ y. X" a
有补给路线啊..补给是从广州那里出来的,,不过路线不经过广州北的铁路,而是经过广州左边一格的平地...
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  \' b- t% `  i' p9 Q" O6 V这个补给路线怎么算的?就我所知,相邻基地运输补给,
9 z" i* ^" V' _5 T' [2 k7 L铁路每格2
/ Z$ R) L$ U# {) S土路每格5! j+ a- B" e5 _$ L
小路每格25
- g4 i6 W$ U( W6 R. U乡间每格50
; m3 C4 G# a/ F* W2 d; h要求总和小于100: T# y4 r2 z" s: ?& w: p( @- F
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但是这个只是补给的陆上运输
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1、这个补给的陆上运输和 部队的行军路线,以及能否进入某一格的条件有关么?  R* Y7 [0 a5 c$ H+ U0 a# G$ ?
2、对于双方共同控制的格,补给路线怎么计算?是算在补给路线里面的还是需要绕过去的?
算了回档了,广州北调了2个军过河堵路,南宁3个军追击出来,北海5个军回撤南宁,对陆战规则又开始模糊起来了,只能边打边摸索
原帖由 飞龙 于 2007-1-20 16:03 发表
( K% t( Y: u) X9 j补一句:这个老外真是菜菜子。。。。 ...
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这个老外唯一优点是回档及时,只是由于时差问题,每天打的档比较少
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克拉克绞肉机# F1 p6 R9 `2 J5 ~1 k9 N) I6 s1 R
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Ground combat at Clark Field
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Japanese Deliberate attack
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Attacking force 82822 troops, 625 guns, 288 vehicles,
, _# z  L( y3 N$ F, E/ DAssault Value = 1348
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Defending force 40534 troops, 272 guns, 173 vehicles,2 ^! @/ G$ B0 W8 D: v7 [4 V1 h
Assault Value = 955
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Japanese max assault: 1302 - adjusted assault: 487 - N7 G. t7 }, w

' b9 Y& h. V- K  t6 rAllied max defense: 1017 - adjusted defense: 1673
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Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)
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Japanese ground losses:5 A' d1 f0 g* F' ?# Z! k1 o
1221 casualties reported
2 |& \: S0 d: x4 v3 z- VGuns lost 30
# f" X0 w& o) D: a- zVehicles lost 8  ^+ v5 s1 G1 M2 k, J8 D  ~

4 V  Z  u9 M1 t9 }0 X7 wAllied ground losses:- P1 Z4 e" C# T4 l) f
1345 casualties reported
& J. s; B" ?; L" c9 oGuns lost 54
6 s2 ]; `; ^$ oVehicles lost 10' f+ e  x+ v* s, y; r; O! ?2 a
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仰光北日军天天被国军SB-2轰炸机轰炸,又屡次攻击失利,3师团1旅团1联队的部队只剩1000多一点的战斗力  J( D) T, E" T5 m* n* M* x
Ground combat at 29,337 H$ v( e" X4 t( }$ W
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Japanese Deliberate attack( C! b/ Q: x$ N' V) @5 \
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Attacking force 73300 troops, 561 guns, 116 vehicles,
. {0 U2 ]- t( z; c% @! ?Assault Value = 1156
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- K/ G; c  n  eDefending force 49665 troops, 514 guns, 0 vehicles,
8 E& g" ?" |$ v) o4 V6 DAssault Value = 1203
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6 q, X3 T: b- X: yJapanese max assault: 838 - adjusted assault: 160 1 M0 t/ _0 u: T( D' F

/ ~- L( ]; ?! h1 ?4 s3 N& f4 rAllied max defense: 1194 - adjusted defense: 1717 6 g0 p, O8 l, {4 p6 c

8 m% d. [# Q1 Q3 ?6 k3 v7 d, jJapanese assault odds: 0 to 1 ' ^$ @/ U' t' k4 P+ f

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4 U- L) n# k4 ^$ k9 t1 C/ P' OJapanese ground losses:5 k1 l, I+ t4 M4 [# j  e
1807 casualties reported! a( j) I& i0 F4 d* W* E9 Q3 b
Guns lost 62/ k1 S2 |/ z; u3 E2 k' L
Vehicles lost 4
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505 casualties reported
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为救援被困的第21师团,广州北日军再次转入攻击,但是国军1个满编军恰好从长沙方向增援到位,加上原在该地驻防修驻了5级野战工事的7个军,凭借有利地形成功守住阵地,杀伤日军3000多人7 @: ]- D4 q- T% g
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Ground combat at 43,40
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6 p' s2 r& e: V9 A, eJapanese Deliberate attack
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Attacking force 90338 troops, 1021 guns, 37 vehicles,+ y# R$ U1 {% T+ t
Assault Value = 1807
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$ E2 _. j( m7 c& ~: |Defending force 73288 troops, 460 guns, 0 vehicles,
6 \5 @- t, |# G+ _Assault Value = 20303 q) z: i# S! x: A3 k
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Japanese max assault: 1835 - adjusted assault: 446 7 @1 s$ U! t3 ~3 x" y
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Allied max defense: 2038 - adjusted defense: 3511
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- |# u% K" y2 P8 ?Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 4 y' s+ ]1 r; v& ]+ \3 v2 L6 V2 B

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8 E+ d* d5 D  h+ x) h  e+ tJapanese ground losses:6 T: y$ I; ?) z8 x0 t5 D/ d
3035 casualties reported$ G) }" c' b6 h; p% G1 _( t
Guns lost 80
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4 V$ ^' u: V4 ZAllied ground losses:
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Guns lost 6" d& Z; L5 O+ L& p" C
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日25军今日渡过海峡进攻新加坡,盟军C47已经集结巴达维亚做好撤退准备。& l3 k# J" S- U4 p) V

. D" {. r* M) U, zGround combat at Singapore& l; `2 c  C8 H7 |

, M+ t0 B; g) p4 E/ o' R3 gJapanese Shock attack
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Attacking force 123845 troops, 1010 guns, 3516 I5 O5 t1 ?9 C# t/ C$ m4 j9 D/ q
vehicles, Assault Value = 1946
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" E5 m* o' y0 A+ D. R1 k  bDefending force 44707 troops, 391 guns, 20 vehicles,% @4 B( O0 V3 Y' q5 ~' J- G
Assault Value = 601
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3 x* C$ h. k! wJapanese max assault: 1626 - adjusted assault: 253
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Allied max defense: 640 - adjusted defense: 633
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Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 6)
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2017 casualties reported; W$ h, B. h6 V
Guns lost 80
/ O& d2 i: g4 H4 uVehicles lost 5
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Allied ground losses:
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Guns lost 38
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日陆攻裸奔空袭肯达里港,被AVG击落将近一半 ,港内仅休斯敦号被命中一弹8 U1 j5 M& V: Q  Q0 x" T2 B4 D

( m3 M! p/ n1 UDay Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71
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G3M Nell x 68
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P-40B Tomahawk x 347 P# f) T' y& z- \" A4 i

! a# i4 Z" n* h) ~3 y1 _Japanese aircraft losses
% @. V, I3 a. C. l+ NG3M Nell: 31 destroyed, 6 damaged
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CA Houston, Bomb hits 1,  on fire% z4 @1 B& b2 T2 d" d- H
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# s, ^- t6 i* A" _Ground combat at Manila
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Japanese Deliberate attack4 |" g5 q4 J8 \1 U1 z  V% i: z

" g. a0 l5 Q" E$ k  gAttacking force 48284 troops, 555 guns, 9 vehicles,
% k  B8 C# z& d/ b* RAssault Value = 1042
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Defending force 41656 troops, 357 guns, 5 vehicles,# w6 q- m( _& O; o  d' [( ^
Assault Value = 6431 @* z2 w7 T) _3 L

0 M; n8 b7 d5 C7 k3 iJapanese max assault: 1039 - adjusted assault: 159 4 Q" ^+ a1 x3 H
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Allied max defense: 704 - adjusted defense: 1989 3 u4 Z9 H5 c1 x
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Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2) , e; |( C7 B  _/ p2 Q9 R, J
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Japanese ground losses:" F- s! H* h, N6 S* r9 m  m
4614 casualties reported+ o. E2 o  Q) k/ G, c" V- t
Guns lost 151- y! Y! `) `' p% T! y, g) t$ r
Vehicles lost 6- e' f9 W+ l3 d) s) W

& b4 C0 z7 T8 ^/ lAllied ground losses:! Y6 w) x. f7 \
171 casualties reported
& g1 E4 G4 f- E" @3 x8 `, @. J6 m6 nGuns lost 59 R1 \( l( h- V- s3 I! P: y
Vehicles lost 1
呵呵,rp不错,很敬业
1月27日,日军攻占新加坡,守军近5万人投降
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Ground combat at Singapore
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Japanese Deliberate attack; \5 i6 r, }) o& q
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Attacking force 113272 troops, 887 guns, 347 vehicles,6 z/ s# d2 }0 {- r' I2 x* [" l
Assault Value = 1828
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Defending force 35685 troops, 208 guns, 16 vehicles,1 n& T4 u" ~4 ]" R& H
Assault Value = 418
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Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 33 m# l$ P+ v' ~( Q$ H2 b6 C

- }$ k) F/ @' IJapanese max assault: 1635 - adjusted assault: 2467 . ?! n  D4 H1 R* |
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Allied max defense: 398 - adjusted defense: 437
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Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 3)
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Japanese forces CAPTURE Singapore base !!!& e# K& |( e# Y9 }' C
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Japanese ground losses:
5 O6 i4 ?) d( \! G0 E736 casualties reported
' ~8 `6 X7 P2 WGuns lost 16
4 N7 L8 V/ R1 ?2 XVehicles lost 6, j2 |$ V# D6 r# ^
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Allied ground losses:) O/ ^; e& }% X& }9 `# A4 |3 X
46723 casualties reported4 O* m4 z7 C  n
Guns lost 274
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0 O0 V6 g$ \4 f9 V6 X日南方军至此可以腾出第25军3师3旅近2000战力10多万人用于其他战场。
日军极其懒,南洋才打下一个古晋,盟军苦等了一个月,今天好不容易看到终于有一大队运输船沿南中国海南下了,Z舰队眼泪都快下来了
按史实1月份川口支队已经拿下米里 山打根和坤甸, 坂口支队拿下打拉根和巴厘巴板,东方支队拿下万鸦老和肯达里啦,哪像现在这么磨磨蹭蹭的
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