冷情人

现阶段战场除了中国例行轰炸外，一切都很平静。。6月4日，帝国水雷战队在坎墩附近抓了盟军一小队AO，将其变成珊瑚礁！！& D( k( T0 s# D; L
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Canton Island at 153,141, Range 19,000 Yards
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Japanese Ships
% G, C+ ~# J2 Q; {" l+ X      CL Tenryu0 L" P; t# R+ M! Z9 }5 _
      CL Tatsuta2 Y$ A8 q# M7 k1 t: m
      DD Mutsuki8 y: P9 }0 l7 c5 H
      DD Kisaragi
/ g7 M& l, b9 M) ~  G5 n1 d      DD Yayoi1 c. B3 A+ b. ?9 u' h* Z# v8 s0 I
      DD Mochizuki
, P) d! U  t/ K$ X) j& e      DD Oite
+ |( J2 R) A1 b) R# I% z      DD Hayate
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Allied Ships
4 w- S5 Y4 Q) U) V" l) E      AO TAN 1, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk0 P* Q. d  O9 ]7 S, c* Q0 X. T
      AO TAN 2, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
# ]  v0 l8 y* J' z/ M9 K: z, |& a      AO TAN 3, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk" L1 Z7 {( Q- r
      AO TAN 4, Shell hits 18,  heavy fires,  heavy damage0 W) x# M$ E2 r( m6 O  D6 @
      AO TAN 5, Shell hits 34, and is sunk/ w& N- z8 t; U4 x0 b4 q
      AO TAN 6, Shell hits 22,  heavy fires,  heavy damage0 C) P: W5 }0 X- M- Q( y2 m
      KV Quesnel, Shell hits 13, and is sunk5 P0 s0 f( K. e5 [) k1 N3 y( B

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7 h2 K3 Z6 j: S  h2 |      另一方面，新西兰攻略军进攻新西兰最后的城池布伦海姆，第一次进攻成功的打出了4比1，一星期内新西兰将全面占领！！！' ]" H8 e1 M$ r9 e
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Ground combat at Blenheim (111,191)7 U; J0 B2 i/ R# u! u

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Attacking force 39497 troops, 363 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 1652
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5 K* U* _/ q7 A/ R/ qDefending force 9117 troops, 104 guns, 257 vehicles, Assault Value = 332
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Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3! T7 i1 O4 D1 a0 ^+ S

0 ?% q5 p. a" U2 P, GJapanese adjusted assault: 858 3 e* U) Q( }' G: y; h2 S
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Allied adjusted defense: 213 9 R3 D# t4 f$ \$ L8 W; G% }+ E9 _

" a5 n8 t, J! l/ k) m3 @Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 3) 8 {3 z$ Z3 l- ^
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Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3; y0 X% q3 V8 J8 T' T7 m- `! G) i

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Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)  r# u- s9 d- @- C4 b$ g0 @
experience(-), supply(-)
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0 t9 i6 T( j* Y+ `8 yJapanese ground losses:( k3 _" S, Z- V1 F0 V$ z% w7 R
      814 casualties reported  r8 k+ I8 D& Y6 e/ o$ {
         Squads: 11 destroyed, 110 disabled/ ]/ e) U" s8 H1 O  y! I
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled2 W" R- j) V0 o3 x
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
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: [6 w- M+ I% |. bAllied ground losses:
6 C* c9 q: l: w1 M3 q      1071 casualties reported
) C0 k! @: n8 }3 n         Squads: 13 destroyed, 67 disabled6 Z/ B- K. u" A) f& t+ l( j
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 40 disabled
: v3 M: d" ]9 o' j" c5 A, e         Engineers: 3 destroyed, 28 disabled, l- ?8 v1 @+ u% h
      Guns lost 18 (2 destroyed, 16 disabled)2 P% g! y) b2 A6 N7 @9 q% O
      Vehicles lost 59 (17 destroyed, 42 disabled)

冷情人

  第四次重庆攻击!!  2比1！！！ ! j* C% s/ ]2 _( h

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2 @4 R1 @5 W+ D- l: p! w' x: e- X       6月5日，经过10来天的恢复和休整，帝国军队再次对重庆发动总攻！！这次成功的打出了2比1，而且伤亡比已经非常接近，下次攻击之日，必是重庆攻陷之时！！！！. j: j: R; M$ r& b$ I
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Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)
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4 t1 R# }5 g: h! F) }1 cAttacking force 422620 troops, 4879 guns, 2799 vehicles, Assault Value = 16073
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Defending force 210769 troops, 692 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4044
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Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
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Japanese adjusted assault: 7844
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( b  r# m$ _) e& g, ?! C; s$ eAllied adjusted defense: 2621
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Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2) ; `$ h4 r/ S7 A

' n' v1 Q2 {  C( s1 |" t" e+ zJapanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2" K3 v  T( _, G+ m. \0 `
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: ~5 U% D+ F9 G; o# x9 fJapanese ground losses:/ s# h) w) _1 R; T! Q
      34213 casualties reported
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         Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 357 disabled7 y( j- b4 l( m
         Engineers: 8 destroyed, 218 disabled7 o$ D8 `" z8 q9 Z8 P( }
      Guns lost 212 (5 destroyed, 207 disabled)
5 z) K0 {" c7 m- W) y5 l      Vehicles lost 101 (2 destroyed, 99 disabled)$ M, X% D) L( d& D; C' Z

9 ?* }6 H7 z, }4 a) a2 aAllied ground losses:) t( o  k& q" O1 b4 U% z
      26054 casualties reported
6 k  I4 G+ Q* [1 A+ n7 V         Squads: 689 destroyed, 1422 disabled
0 I1 @$ d; p8 g! t3 A% t         Non Combat: 175 destroyed, 945 disabled/ Q0 P/ x' S! x( ~# H. v; M1 c2 O
         Engineers: 33 destroyed, 27 disabled
$ W8 k0 V! S& A; }      Guns lost 63 (9 destroyed, 54 disabled)/ S! s9 N$ z* ~8 ^
      Units destroyed 2

lala23159

2:1 这个比例常见呀 哪个打出过72:19的比分

冷情人

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2 _% F0 t4 F2 D: e占领新西兰！！！ 0 ~5 o6 C  l7 j  ], C6 _

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2 l7 j8 u, W& @" \5 c, `* _      6月6日，南军对新西兰最后的堡垒布伦海姆总攻，全灭守军！！至此，新西兰全部被占领！！ ! R! V( o" c$ m' k) z- M3 O

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2 q6 A6 z% v( v: m; h  xGround combat at Blenheim (111,191)9 e' u, \! D4 d' S( f2 W  V

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Attacking force 38744 troops, 363 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 1566
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/ W; T7 m' b5 L( J, r! iDefending force 8152 troops, 100 guns, 239 vehicles, Assault Value = 225
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* a" ?7 ]. D! @2 sJapanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
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Japanese adjusted assault: 980 2 r. {* G6 S0 o6 Q# H. H& y

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Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 2) & }8 ?1 V, X7 d9 M" C! @
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Japanese forces CAPTURE Blenheim !!!
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8 d- J9 c( O& gDefender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
' c1 k" a. E2 q0 W" n6 Zsupply(-)
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* {/ L  X: A# X! a' c' D# t# R% x      459 casualties reported
8 Q/ ~, X( E2 y  D         Squads: 6 destroyed, 53 disabled
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         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled% s4 Y) Z# E5 {, w
      Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)1 P- z& h- Z. A' E

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0 Q* d: U2 I. ]      7266 casualties reported
7 f+ e; t; g5 i8 y0 y. ^         Squads: 176 destroyed, 0 disabled
+ s9 u" q, x0 R, y9 Z4 J         Non Combat: 792 destroyed, 0 disabled1 c# u- F. F! a0 J- C% v/ N0 o! Y4 f
         Engineers: 98 destroyed, 0 disabled
6 }& `2 t% x& u      Guns lost 101 (101 destroyed, 0 disabled)
4 |& @* O+ }, ]8 |      Vehicles lost 332 (332 destroyed, 0 disabled)
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        另一方面，南军主力攻击悉尼，成功的又下了一级城防！同时看到，由于是用师团和坦克部队进攻，帝国军队伤亡较小，看来日本必须要想办法合并师团是王道！！3 W3 B/ Q" Q0 o. \8 I
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0 A, R( Q) ^) BJapanese Deliberate attack
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3 J# ?% @' X8 S! N. WAttacking force 197282 troops, 2439 guns, 1669 vehicles, Assault Value = 7335' }6 Y* q8 a, t& E, M4 L# I

6 Q5 D& b' m6 }3 [6 _) ADefending force 106862 troops, 1193 guns, 1172 vehicles, Assault Value = 2253/ u, ^; p$ m8 ]
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Japanese adjusted assault: 5476 ' A9 D1 C$ N' s2 O# S3 t* Q6 [
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Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3) % [9 c3 S' ~( ~' J0 h$ g/ u
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      7257 casualties reported
  v! N! o* ?% ]5 x, I         Squads: 81 destroyed, 1043 disabled4 \/ O4 M) \0 n: u
         Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 144 disabled* X6 l: b, W6 k, `2 q
         Engineers: 7 destroyed, 73 disabled( x3 |. a( |/ d* U# z% X/ R/ W0 X
      Guns lost 80 (2 destroyed, 78 disabled)6 A6 C0 u6 x& w9 b5 l3 t& }9 @
      Vehicles lost 191 (17 destroyed, 174 disabled): }- q* R' \$ |( [$ u& f
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1 W5 y4 J/ H; K      5182 casualties reported
9 p& s" [" N- T$ \' a  V  H         Squads: 45 destroyed, 420 disabled, M$ i5 F; L* U/ t( P
         Non Combat: 46 destroyed, 372 disabled
% W9 D0 k6 T' A( i         Engineers: 22 destroyed, 123 disabled; T0 s+ y. }3 O% l0 o. W$ s
      Guns lost 95 (17 destroyed, 78 disabled)
; i' G$ ~2 [7 e8 }9 {, B      Vehicles lost 85 (9 destroyed, 76 disabled)

godkiller

重庆完了，校长都是永久损失，鬼子大多只是失去战斗力

lala23159

重庆在双方都是大兵团作战的情况下不容易取胜，少量部队互殴当然很快见分晓

冷情人

重庆在双方都是大兵团作战的情况下不容易取胜，少量部队互殴当然很快见分晓, V. G, I- o" Z; m. m
lala23159 发表于 2014-6-29 09:30

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不明白你到底想说什么

冷情人

悉尼的第四次攻击！！！ * V3 G5 V) U4 B) d- w9 ^
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  W$ l! J3 j! H* e4 ?; l      42年6月16日，南军主力再次攻击悉尼，成功的将城防降低到2级！！皇军将勇猛如前，必须彻底清理澳洲！！
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# _1 \: Q9 E/ j1 L$ ^3 sJapanese Deliberate attack
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# a7 U' D- K# f  DAttacking force 250127 troops, 2950 guns, 2469 vehicles, Assault Value = 9683
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Defending force 105368 troops, 1203 guns, 1188 vehicles, Assault Value = 2085( \5 p1 ]2 N  G6 S( g
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Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2  O8 b6 d/ a4 E: `
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Japanese adjusted assault: 8678
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Allied adjusted defense: 12201
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Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2) ' ]: r2 a( C  k, I8 }7 `: K
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Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)# y5 }; P3 f# B
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         Squads: 105 destroyed, 976 disabled# A9 v" y1 j' p$ B2 ~1 U6 N6 b
         Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 219 disabled% G7 O2 i! ]* h2 S6 b. G: T! w
         Engineers: 6 destroyed, 54 disabled) y. S/ ~, p4 T. z' V2 G, N. S: Y
      Guns lost 122 (15 destroyed, 107 disabled)5 n0 r+ Q) D/ e
      Vehicles lost 359 (21 destroyed, 338 disabled)
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8 [$ k, |+ S7 d0 p6 B      3766 casualties reported
2 I! c- r" I# a( k         Squads: 61 destroyed, 260 disabled, A9 Z+ O$ V$ J; i
         Non Combat: 75 destroyed, 463 disabled
5 {' s7 C  z( S7 f( C         Engineers: 24 destroyed, 99 disabled" [7 W# X* b1 i4 X6 ~7 j+ [' ^
      Guns lost 207 (26 destroyed, 181 disabled). T7 P- s7 T0 n/ |
      Vehicles lost 69 (6 destroyed, 63 disabled)" b9 T0 E. f1 d* k
      Units destroyed 2

J2M5

再有1-2月悉尼重庆就都到手了

冷情人

  攻克成都！！！！
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* i. L7 i. f; j: k8 _   42年6月18日，帝国中国军队主力从重庆挥师到达成都，一回合将成都攻克！！但令人意外的是，成都的国军居然被击溃跑到了西北方的山上去了，并没有被全灭。。这也无关紧要了，折腾不了大的风浪。。现在，派遣军和关东军将全速赶往重庆，重庆的沦陷将开始倒计时！！
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! F/ Z4 o& g$ R, UGround combat at Chengtu (75,41)% G5 ?2 Y! n1 y0 S
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! s! W6 x  h! sAttacking force 361182 troops, 4329 guns, 2783 vehicles, Assault Value = 14438" U, X& E( u' G2 ]' {5 `2 H

/ S  @" a, E8 `$ b5 w' I: mDefending force 53998 troops, 319 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1516
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# P  G7 O2 f0 HJapanese adjusted assault: 7906
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Allied adjusted defense: 369
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; v5 a1 G" y7 Y* \Japanese forces CAPTURE Chengtu !!!9 G! q9 {& h; x

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Attacker:
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         Squads: 26 destroyed, 546 disabled; `) k* M( G4 R8 w4 S
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 77 disabled
$ F2 m& t( c6 \, x. L( P0 G         Engineers: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled  W2 H3 a- W1 c# {6 K1 v$ M+ R
      Vehicles lost 25 (2 destroyed, 23 disabled)
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" N$ K* }0 R5 ^" H( jAllied ground losses:
3 V1 ~, I" w! ?" L      25924 casualties reported
2 n* v2 @& d' e3 X         Squads: 607 destroyed, 157 disabled
( t1 m9 ]# `/ [. i' U         Non Combat: 1231 destroyed, 0 disabled5 @; m, J+ e+ I1 |# R2 E1 \: Z
         Engineers: 217 destroyed, 4 disabled  }# O4 K3 o7 z" a; E- v
      Guns lost 153 (129 destroyed, 24 disabled)
  D, \+ H  G5 M1 B1 N      Units retreated 16
0 L- v& ?0 j$ }0 u' L) O      Units destroyed 2

冷情人

打了激素的I-23号潜艇！！！
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    6月20日，在圣诞岛海域游荡的I-23号潜艇发现了骑士的英国航母！！首先是6雷齐射射向可畏号，成功的命中1雷！！
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& J+ K# h$ [' C8 jSub attack near Christmas Island  at 191,135
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      CV Formidable, Torpedo hits 1' ]2 T0 k- {# F7 r; ~1 P
      DD Norman
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SS I-23 launches 6 torpedoes at CV Formidable
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     接着，I-23号还不过瘾，再次向不屈号发动6雷齐射。舰长直接瞄准了航母的软肋，1雷将不屈号重创！！！！
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Sub attack near Christmas Island  at 191,135) H. s: ~. N5 ~; }( x
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      CV Indomitable, Torpedo hits 1,  heavy damage- s8 X$ T! Q! J# T3 Z+ @
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SS I-23 launches 6 torpedoes at CV Indomitable
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5 j/ L  {/ g1 {' U0 a     英勇无敌的I-23号潜艇发挥了帝国海狼部队凶悍的传统，在同一地点发射12发鱼雷，史无前例的中创1CV，重创1CV！！舰长荣立特等功，他的事迹将颁发成潜艇教科书供海狼部队学习和参考！！

galex

盟军好悲剧

阿姆罗

这年头日军都是奔着全地图制霸去的，制霸不了的果断TJ啊。

冷情人

这年头日军都是奔着全地图制霸去的，制霸不了的果断TJ啊。
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乱说，制霸不了有制霸不了的玩法。。只听说日本KB被灭TJ的，没听说过打不下中国、印度或澳洲TJ的。。

阿姆罗

这不是乱说啊，没有制霸完成还活着的AE档有几个？