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神风的时代当然是这样了
PZB好几天没更新了,不知道怎么回事
我个人目前只读到43年7月
一页一页的翻译,太有毅力了
刚才看团战区里人发的帖子,翻到另一个战报+ G1 E6 }) S7 L- O9 w! k
日军也太牛了9 F9 s* {- P2 v# |4 f

; x. @) l4 p( O# l: _0 [4 {  Z; C3 \5 DPAUK VS ANDY
. j+ g& g3 Z% I0 D5 z( n' W43年9月
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6 x5 a& {7 i7 x( `Day Air attack on TF at 82,85
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4 D* p7 x" ^( o5 v$ z  {Japanese aircraft
! J- H8 s6 V& _; C( CA6M5 Zeke x 332 ) I, n7 F, X. P7 x
D3A Val x 84
. A  X1 \% n0 \1 K: W0 pB5N Kate x 13
) ~) ?7 L7 {' y3 x/ _! j! _B6N Jill x 32   P1 o1 [3 i: ?# b6 N7 a

0 k5 s  ]6 F" H: o$ Z0 j2 {Allied aircraft . i4 z# }/ Y5 s& i, [
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11
% ~' Q7 q! i6 q. UF6F Hellcat x 65   g+ F! c; y; D; v1 B# |: o' X
Corsair IV x 11 + m9 f& q  l3 g' }7 {# Y, Q
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Japanese aircraft losses
# N! w9 F4 Q; C; YA6M5 Zeke: 186 destroyed
) e6 u! N+ X8 l; m2 `! s' RD3A Val: 7 destroyed, 23 damaged
  [& a; m& B- z, hB5N Kate: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged
) E3 i5 Z7 a  o% T+ V' `* c+ h+ P% MB6N Jill: 10 destroyed, 12 damaged - I# F+ t4 ^( U1 R- p3 n) m
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Allied aircraft losses
; v$ B+ v6 w( Z+ u/ T5 N  FF4F-4 Wildcat: 23 destroyed 7 A4 B5 E6 k: L( l0 [9 B- U
F6F Hellcat: 133 destroyed
: n% w, g. L; Q  H% |6 }, {Corsair IV: 11 destroyed " c" R$ Y0 p; x3 C6 ]
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Allied Ships ( T, K2 e+ T: T1 m
DD Edwards $ {/ [+ \5 o+ y  N( c
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire ! Y' a# q* B9 u. h
CVL Princeton, Bomb hits 4, on fire
) |) K$ C5 g. UCVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 3, on fire
- k" {, n4 w- K" ^2 a  D! ~CVL Langley, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1 8 x5 v& U  f. ^
CVL Monterey
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Third strike comes from Wotje and Kwajalein - nice coordination again! : y' q+ |" |. C! I- X2 f

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Japanese aircraft 7 ?- k. a6 l3 m% w6 Q! S
J2M Jack x 18
* T% L& A& `0 H8 FA6M3a Zero x 6
) X) s- O% [* x" s% m' U/ h( YG3M Nell x 2 * P* Q( Q8 j) z* N1 d2 V! V) m& w, I
G4M1 Betty x 28 3 F) \4 N* Z! G* v7 _2 b9 x
G4M2 Betty x 7
+ \! d6 `* {7 b) ]0 C' J) `Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6
" y8 n' N6 [, r: v* G9 D1 i- `Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 2
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7 f1 U  i* L. [% c  c. V5 CAllied aircraft 6 R3 }3 f& J7 X, g: S1 R2 r
Corsair IV x 5 8 g' _6 i; r/ s. R
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Japanese aircraft losses
* p5 J* \- Q6 C3 G3 r$ H# j3 ?J2M Jack: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged ) m8 d# H' P5 W# s; R- x% V! x
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged , H: J* h4 |: R! f6 N
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed
% L, c3 D4 G$ DG4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 20 damaged * U5 u; C+ W5 J, `4 l
G4M2 Betty: 7 damaged 1 G& Z  X6 e" U
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed 2 H6 E; L5 _: T6 ^* L
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Allied aircraft losses
6 S; g4 s& c/ R# }Corsair IV: 7 destroyed
& a5 x% x- J. _: z0 xF6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed ( |% U% Z& A7 T% H/ Q
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Allied Ships / ?6 g) a6 c5 P
CV Bunker Hill, on fire
; A3 O4 ?& X* C" `$ N4 ~CVL Cowpens, Torpedo hits 1, on fire $ R# g! J/ G' T( B( Q0 @0 ?" G
CVL Princeton, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage 0 W9 q6 v* N/ ?* e5 o
CVL Langley, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Fourth strike from Wotje...
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/ h& P% V- B3 m8 ?- X+ rDay Air attack on TF at 82,85 / u) s1 d" T6 p+ r9 f, d
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Japanese aircraft * @* b4 x6 Z5 @8 s2 E) A9 @5 W! t
J2M Jack x 36
! @! x% V8 B  [0 XG4M1 Betty x 4 ' _9 q0 c9 [, ^0 \$ J  J* K8 z
G4M2 Betty x 18 ( z3 q+ b* j' V! l, c/ s/ L
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 34 4 w6 R& O9 b9 o/ Z! P. U& O
Ki-21 Sally x 11
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: S& |9 I4 s0 T" RAllied aircraft
2 X" M% u7 F) xCorsair IV x 1 6 M8 F4 w; K. g9 Q1 k

6 p$ ^1 y+ u/ ]$ O2 {3 GJapanese aircraft losses " S2 B: F8 U* I* p0 j
J2M Jack: 1 damaged + ~& i( {7 [7 ^$ D1 U4 x
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged   b) A3 o  y7 S
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed, 12 damaged , R4 f) N+ L$ V% s6 @
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 3 destroyed
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Corsair IV: 3 destroyed
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Allied Ships 7 V. X/ B. Q, g9 W
CVL Langley, on fire, heavy damage ! t2 [) S; Z- ?( E* f) T
CVL Princeton, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage : Z+ V+ T; B+ i/ A5 B, B6 J5 `& {
CVL Monterey
* l  @4 J' l0 n, _6 B# C3 L! @CVL Cowpens, on fire , k7 Y$ k: Q$ `3 ~' X( h1 r

2 z( }. E: K5 Y* i" s3 AUseless sweep over the Mili...
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7 l5 i+ I7 k0 CDay Air attack on Mili , at 84,85
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Allied aircraft 0 v0 b( A6 P( g7 l( \, _
F4U-1 Corsair x 41 - i) q+ {% i- l" V1 ]& p- `3 }' z" X- m

* ^) M! F/ [% V& |/ b6 v' X" n  j& G0 E$ H# ~8 P# ?% r1 P
Day Air attack on TF at 81,81
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Japanese aircraft
- a% m& C+ B/ L1 \2 wA6M5 Zeke x 101 " o$ h4 B% ]% W) c& A8 n
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Allied aircraft
$ @: X( a4 w! pF6F Hellcat x 25 0 w9 Z$ h7 b7 x* v: d/ p$ O
Corsair IV x 8 : ]2 E* l0 M! }+ F+ ~
TBM Avenger x 15
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Japanese aircraft losses
: @/ e- |% a( _$ u, D  ^" gA6M5 Zeke: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged
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F6F Hellcat: 22 destroyed
+ N% f" F6 Y" O, F# m4 PCorsair IV: 6 destroyed ' t+ C( t' j; e9 ?1 O6 _& C
TBM Avenger: 14 destroyed 6 B0 P0 ?( z2 S, O% z; ^& Y
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Japanese Ships
& l# w! D! ]; J/ m! ]5 c6 u9 kCV Akagi 2 `; b# y# s- ^' @
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Aircraft Attacking:
- V) L: F( f) \0 x. H* f3 ~* G1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet   E% r5 ?8 T- t6 t
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G4M2 Betty x 8
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7 c  u$ x' k4 |% o. t9 u+ c" v0 rAllied aircraft
5 T) w5 s5 i- Z! X3 P. s2 a( dF6F Hellcat x 15
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Japanese aircraft losses
3 q9 K- [  h( a5 x6 ~( hG4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
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Allied aircraft losses ! \1 `( _  k4 A' s. r  j
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged & T; n# o/ I1 f& D# O3 N0 q
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Allied Ships
& O9 M; G: b/ E! B! ^CVL Langley, on fire, heavy damage $ l/ P3 y% q. p2 t) j' @
CVL Princeton, on fire, heavy damage - SINKS!
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Bunker Hill was hit with several bombs but only one or two penetrates deck... what a nice ship!
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+ Z9 A) d" n) Q5 j8 r$ iDay Air attack on TF at 82,85 ( C  ]) k) I, u! f

4 K& O* G8 a' Q# ^1 xJapanese aircraft ' y9 j, D9 [3 m, |
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 9   D6 S$ G" L- Y8 Q
Ki-21 Sally x 11 : P5 a9 E& T) T9 G
Ki-49 Helen x 6
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1 e, g( Z3 @2 y! e4 P) q, o1 ?& HAllied aircraft
0 Y/ e/ C2 E+ b* S- `4 }! cF6F Hellcat x 15
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Japanese aircraft losses / K5 x& F2 A6 H- r& h9 ^  T- L
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed ' ?3 X8 r4 \2 l( C. n4 C0 f0 X
Ki-49 Helen: 6 damaged & ~3 O* a+ @* w0 S9 q
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Allied aircraft losses
9 M/ _7 N  V/ f; N# X+ gF6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged " X* ]8 F% w2 J! R

7 B  m0 X# L& O6 I8 ?7 x9 P/ \6 }2 fAllied Ships
1 x% ^4 r" @# KCV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 1, on fire
, {+ F% B( C- e, {( L* nCVL Monterey # O( Z- B. q( C- w# K- K$ h
CVL Cowpens, on fire # i! Z0 m- m) A" c  A# h
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Aircraft Attacking: 4 N' ]+ A. Z, l+ \0 r* m! T+ s
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet * ~, e4 l( O9 |+ W$ }. E9 I
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 32810 feet 9 Z+ i/ o0 p% `
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet 3 a' y" ]2 o5 A5 O
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 32810 feet
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. q5 w* Q" m; {, o0 m$ z+ jAnother fish in Bunker, but she is still fine, it seems!
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Day Air attack on TF at 82,85 - f+ b9 F1 w9 m: d1 [
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Japanese aircraft
' o  X" T' d  QJ2M Jack x 3 7 _4 Y* }7 S1 A4 ~' E" x
G4M1 Betty x 14 ( `! {1 f, G  a4 ^
G4M2 Betty x 10 ; n6 l1 R( c% Z4 U  E* F! e6 W* G
Ki-21 Sally x 7
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7 z" N/ ~# y; c1 n- rAllied aircraft # M8 V  b( d  x1 }6 ^  m2 S4 \  G+ y
F6F Hellcat x 13 ! f8 Q! p: n3 n8 M0 I  F) R: F
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Japanese aircraft losses : N1 |# Q9 g# a  E" |
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged + |+ t6 I7 B. {- Z& `' [# {9 U( J
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged 5 U0 x$ n/ F" r; u
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Allied aircraft losses . {, ?% Q% }1 R+ K% w! K1 H5 W" H5 \
F6F Hellcat: 2 destroyed
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+ H8 }+ i" R( [0 S2 H. qAllied Ships 1 b. i0 }% o7 H1 p
CVL Monterey
& a4 ?# U' \7 ?$ CCVL Cowpens, on fire
: q$ v7 ^  g* s& M7 PCV Bunker Hill, Torpedo hits 1, on fire 7 K7 f: v/ v$ |8 H. Y  A
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,84
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9 Z9 Z# F5 w8 e6 _) t# X+ Q( Y" kJapanese aircraft $ L) F, H# ^% }7 s# w: ~% i
A6M3a Zero x 3
5 m& c8 _9 V& a% H0 wG4M1 Betty x 3
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2 v& ^  r+ g" H, U! A! H# yAllied aircraft
1 ~  w& g8 s* I- e1 U# b7 YF4F-4 Wildcat x 4 + X  |7 C" J2 [& K3 W8 m/ g
F6F Hellcat x 35 * d7 J- A7 p* Y: r. ~
Corsair IV x 9
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' j4 L+ t8 T. \7 f9 C% r2 dJapanese aircraft losses
9 E$ i% I% `6 U/ G9 ?A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed ) Q- [: N; ?5 U: g3 w
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed
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2 K  D% b) E% p) U9 GAllied aircraft losses ! Z3 A' u% Q9 Q: R
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Now all my CV bombers are in the range (3) and this was a devastating strike!   Q  s% Z* y1 x$ H3 }

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& k8 }6 i" v& AA6M5 Zeke x 175 0 r- v, R, r& U  S6 T/ I
D3A Val x 165
3 g, G) K3 t$ z+ VD4Y Judy x 48
( t# |  b2 `5 W; t2 {7 z/ GB5N Kate x 164
; y4 q( a% Q7 O' U2 a) J; oB6N Jill x 2   \# \$ V% a4 u+ U( A- K
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Allied aircraft . E8 g( x6 @, D7 o* m
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 0 J& V% l  {: F+ l: b8 J$ R+ R- Q
F6F Hellcat x 35 . h3 M8 }5 o! Y1 _4 r
Corsair IV x 9 ; C3 ?! x2 H7 T1 M; i) ], P
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Japanese aircraft losses - [2 |! Z9 D8 b% @9 D
A6M5 Zeke: 73 destroyed, 6 damaged / l, ^6 a, P; s/ w. e- E1 V! l
D3A Val: 9 destroyed, 22 damaged / F5 v! c1 k3 A6 `
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged 4 w' g; I- \; S" f  B1 a/ V& d7 j  `
B5N Kate: 18 destroyed, 48 damaged
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+ v* t2 |3 q& \4 P, lAllied aircraft losses
5 w2 r) W" }1 Y. k5 g" D5 \7 QF4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed 4 p7 V2 @; i+ O# ~5 ~
F6F Hellcat: 35 destroyed % d: [7 e. N- q( J
Corsair IV: 8 destroyed 1 V+ ]" F* T$ |; A% m! Q9 D5 O, d

. @+ F0 V4 j! J9 F' {Allied Ships ) [& G" G4 n1 c5 i& k
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage - SINKS! 0 U. x8 b9 x4 H8 o2 U$ ~
CV Indomitable, Bomb hits 18, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage - SINKS! % k( d: O7 h4 G
CVL Hermes, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage - SINKS! ' M+ c- ?1 q# F: N# n! \
CV Formidable, Bomb hits 19, Torpedo hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
: R, n+ C6 k6 e# Z) w7 MCLAA Ceres, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
: M& F: R% J6 w% ]CLAA Atlanta, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
% T1 J0 d, {8 \CA Australia, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
( F. `1 V& H' _. h( ^CL Houston
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$ p3 B$ `. G( N) d8 H/ EJapanese aircraft : k( `; z- y& k& E
J2M Jack x 47 - b+ x9 n8 f3 ]/ ?* U. u; K* M
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 29 0 o6 R! R2 g) t0 F, r8 E3 J/ ~
Ki-21 Sally x 10 ) E& J9 }! `) ^, x

+ @1 y+ b9 b+ }7 n. h9 M- |% \Japanese aircraft losses ' o  Z; Y$ v" w3 f. p: E7 }
J2M Jack: 2 destroyed
8 o6 R6 Z: _5 a- {2 M- k  dKi-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed * k* b* H6 }5 j. F6 R, \

- a* V% m* ?) Y  K5 n/ EAllied aircraft losses
4 v8 t5 b1 w( i5 @' t% D! Y; }/ qF4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed $ u2 _- C5 F2 M% {: {
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed - r( C( t2 p7 O) P4 M8 h5 A

1 d5 n$ X+ F+ D4 t9 iAllied Ships
4 B0 ^9 L* o5 k+ A6 ~0 M& r$ fCL Phoenix 2 F( Z" [: }- V
CVL Hermes, on fire, heavy damage
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9 C8 d3 w8 d/ q& i+ Q" bat 32810 feet 3 U( [" ?* X5 E- d0 s1 V
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I'm sure that Formidable will sinks too... 4 R! e; n- d& W
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,84
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. m8 `6 g. z! F: q, i# LJapanese aircraft
: }9 {+ e( f. q0 l3 FJ2M Jack x 20 * p! b5 F% H  `; ]' l
A6M3a Zero x 6 & o! b7 y$ ~4 d2 }+ A- T, |+ s
G4M1 Betty x 4
8 _" t; N9 E2 L/ ^; MG4M2 Betty x 3 ) t3 g: Y6 [; i4 A3 |) n% Y

( S( C; N0 k) w8 e2 qJapanese aircraft losses
2 J( g1 H/ D- s9 T1 |G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged ( h+ ^' q6 E4 `/ O% s$ ?- a6 u

. m$ U* G% ^% e; ^0 D# T& o/ PAllied Ships 6 e* @6 C4 @: q
CV Formidable, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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  F8 T0 W3 u1 X0 o; q  K& f' U5 Y% d盟军航母全灭
盟军的直掩机少的可怜,就去日军密集防守的跨瓦林群岛去找死。
谁是盟军指挥~~??拖出去砍头~~~这么多CV这么点直掩~~在跟AI玩吗?
I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.
著名的Andy
又是他???这小子简直就是日本派到盟军这边来的卧底啊~~无间道2战版~~~
I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.
PAUK VS ANDY。。。这简直是给人找乐子嘛
这,,,这.....实在没有话说了.....:P
这位仁兄,在和pauk的对战中,到了43年10月,还被日军登陆包围全歼了一个整编美军师
他好像把航母停了不同的两格…………不知道邦克山能不能逃回去,我看也悬。日军毫发无伤啊,除了零战损失大外,攻击机损失很有限,剩下的凡是受伤的船估计一艘也开不回去了。
Soldiers and sailors would fight like madmen to hang on to the red-light district . . . wouldn’t they?
跨瓦林一带日军早就把机场修成蜂窝了,美军如果不是没事去找扁,44年都不应该去那里。
日军航母指挥官不知道还是不是老南云,就这一战就足够升任海军元帅啦!
Soldiers and sailors would fight like madmen to hang on to the red-light district . . . wouldn’t they?
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